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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2014, 05:23:26 AM »
Well, those 2 lenses are targeted at different markets.

The 24-70 f/4 is targeted at the lower end of the market where IS (shooting at slow shutter speeds or have shaky hands) and wants closeup/short 'macro' operation with fairly good image quality, but not top end.

You may be interested to know that I have a friend and colleague who must be one of the most financially successful photographers in recent times - we're talking $400,000 yachts here, all genuinely from photography - and he now uses a 24-70 f4 IS.

It's inaccurate to say it's not aimed at 'top end'.

I'm tempted to say the 24-70 f2.8 II is aimed as much at very wealthy hobbyists as much as professionals who want the best possible IQ straight off the camera but I don't have any hard evidence for this, so I'd better not  ;)

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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2014, 05:33:42 AM »
Either lenses are targeted to those who need the f-number and IS. Doesn't matter whether you be wealthy or not as so long as the money's there the thing will get purchased.
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2014, 08:17:59 PM »
Well, those 2 lenses are targeted at different markets.

The 24-70 f/4 is targeted at the lower end of the market where IS (shooting at slow shutter speeds or have shaky hands) and wants closeup/short 'macro' operation with fairly good image quality, but not top end.

You may be interested to know that I have a friend and colleague who must be one of the most financially successful photographers in recent times - we're talking $400,000 yachts here, all genuinely from photography - and he now uses a 24-70 f4 IS.

It's inaccurate to say it's not aimed at 'top end'.

I'm tempted to say the 24-70 f2.8 II is aimed as much at very wealthy hobbyists as much as professionals who want the best possible IQ straight off the camera but I don't have any hard evidence for this, so I'd better not  ;)

There will always be those who want the 'best'.  As in any hobby, it's there for the taking if you have the $$.  ;)
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2014, 02:36:09 AM »
Here's a real newbie question...

After reading more than a few threads here I've seen that one of the same lenses keeps coming up in conversation - Either one of the EF 24-70mm's...

Is this the MUST HAVE lens for everyone?

Apparently it is.  I thought I could get by without one, but I could not.  I bought the 24-105.  I saw no reason to pay up so big for the 24-70 f/4.  If you do events shooting professionally with flash or strobes, the 24-70 f/2.8 (either the old or new version) is very likely essential...as is a 5D3.  The 24 to whatever zoom focal range, is too useful for everything other than longer range sports or other telephoto uses...at least on a full frame camera.  On a crop camera, evidently there are differing philosophies.  Some lenses start at 18mm on the wide end, some at 15mm.  15 is what is equal to 24mm on full frame.

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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2014, 08:19:10 PM »
There is no must haves. I hardly touch my 24-70mm and only have one as a backup in case one of my other lenses fails. The same with the 70-200mm, I still question if it's a must have for me.

I agree, in that, I generally use my 50L the most and the 24L offers better bokeh and low light capabilities.  But, the 24-70 f/2.8 ii is quite nice if you can only take one lens with you (or won't have time for lens swap) and want the ability to do both landscape and portrait. 24-70 f/4 does not interest me.

I do though still use my 70-200mm f/2.8L II for a few reasons:
1) I don't like the angular bokeh of the 135L stopped down and the 85L doesn't have the reach of the 70-200.
2) It is generally more difficult to "zoom with your feet" when dealing with telephoto focal lengths, as that simply may not be possible depending on the situation.

I do hope Canon revisits the 135L soon, though, and puts some circular blades in it.  I would buy it in a snap if it were 1500 street (at rebate time, of course!)

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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2014, 08:22:32 AM »
There is no must haves. I hardly touch my 24-70mm and only have one as a backup in case one of my other lenses fails. The same with the 70-200mm, I still question if it's a must have for me.

I agree, in that, I generally use my 50L the most and the 24L offers better bokeh and low light capabilities.  But, the 24-70 f/2.8 ii is quite nice if you can only take one lens with you (or won't have time for lens swap) and want the ability to do both landscape and portrait. 24-70 f/4 does not interest me.

I do though still use my 70-200mm f/2.8L II for a few reasons:
1) I don't like the angular bokeh of the 135L stopped down and the 85L doesn't have the reach of the 70-200.
2) It is generally more difficult to "zoom with your feet" when dealing with telephoto focal lengths, as that simply may not be possible depending on the situation.

I do hope Canon revisits the 135L soon, though, and puts some circular blades in it.  I would buy it in a snap if it were 1500 street (at rebate time, of course!)
Your right about 24-70 and 70-200 but it doesn't make them must haves for every photographer. The 70-200 II is white, expensive and heavy. That's why I question buying one because I don't have a use for one.

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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2014, 12:05:50 PM »
Well, those 2 lenses are targeted at different markets.

The 24-70 f/4 is targeted at the lower end of the market where IS (shooting at slow shutter speeds or have shaky hands) and wants closeup/short 'macro' operation with fairly good image quality, but not top end.

You may be interested to know that I have a friend and colleague who must be one of the most financially successful photographers in recent times - we're talking $400,000 yachts here, all genuinely from photography - and he now uses a 24-70 f4 IS.

It's inaccurate to say it's not aimed at 'top end'.

I'm tempted to say the 24-70 f2.8 II is aimed as much at very wealthy hobbyists as much as professionals who want the best possible IQ straight off the camera but I don't have any hard evidence for this, so I'd better not  ;)
Or it could be that the 24-70F4 and the 70-200F4 are targeted towards outdoors shooters who have to carry their gear a long way. Realistically, there is no IQ difference between the F4s and the F2.8s,  the trade-off is weight for speed.
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2014, 10:16:29 PM »
The 70-200 2.8 II does have some weight to it no doubt.  I have shot with it a few times all day but in the end it's all worth it.  I'll take the extra weight for speed everytime (there are exceptions).   ;)
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2014, 10:08:02 AM »
Don Haines gets the prize! For full-frame lightweight hiking kit, the 24-70mm f/4 IS has some appeal, due to the lighter weight and the semi-macro capacity, plus the IS makes it more convenient to take a reasonable-light shot because one doesn't have to deploy the tripod. I have been pack-hiking with a Cotton Carrier vest, backpack with usual camping gear-water-food, tripod lashed to the pack, and a Canon 60D with EF-S 15-85mm f/variable IS instantly accessible on the vest. 95% of non-wildlife shots can be handled with this single lens on an APS-C camera, and the true macro shots can be handled by the EF-S 60mm f/2.8 I carry in an accessible pocket. I have recently obtained a 6D, and am figuring out what FF lens kit I need. I suspect that I will end up with a day-hike kit containing primes, and a camping-hike kit containing a 24-70mm lens yet to be purchased, my current EF 70-200mm f/4 IS, and 1.4x TC and extension ring.

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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2014, 02:55:52 PM »
Well, those 2 lenses are targeted at different markets.

The 24-70 f/4 is targeted at the lower end of the market where IS (shooting at slow shutter speeds or have shaky hands) and wants closeup/short 'macro' operation with fairly good image quality, but not top end.

You may be interested to know that I have a friend and colleague who must be one of the most financially successful photographers in recent times - we're talking $400,000 yachts here, all genuinely from photography - and he now uses a 24-70 f4 IS.

It's inaccurate to say it's not aimed at 'top end'.

I'm tempted to say the 24-70 f2.8 II is aimed as much at very wealthy hobbyists as much as professionals who want the best possible IQ straight off the camera but I don't have any hard evidence for this, so I'd better not  ;)
Or it could be that the 24-70F4 and the 70-200F4 are targeted towards outdoors shooters who have to carry their gear a long way. Realistically, there is no IQ difference between the F4s and the F2.8s,  the trade-off is weight for speed.

Sadly, in my experience that's only the case with the 70-200s (the 4 and 2.8 are both spectacular and you just pay for speed) . However, the 24-70 f/4 just isn't on the same level as the 2.8 version...sorry to say. Other than IS, I find it to be optically inferior (at least the ones I've tried) in almost every aspect (except maybe at 24mm). In particular it is quite underwhelming around 50mm. Maybe that's an optical compromise Canon had to make in order to fit the Macro feature in...otherwise I am sure they could have made it every bit as good as the 2.8, perhaps even better. This is not to say it is a bad lens...but I do think it is overpriced (I expect better at $1.5K price point - if it were $800, it would be an excellent alternative to the 24-105) and other lenses offer much better price/performance ratios.
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Re: The MUST have Lens? "EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II or EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM"
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2014, 10:50:55 PM »
Primes is my thing, zooms are cool but not my cup of glasses.
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