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« on: March 26, 2014, 05:28:09 PM »
I saw this video at a presentation last year and been looking for it online ever since. Watch in fullscreen HD - its just awesome :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGpuFFhY0io&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2014, 05:36:43 PM »
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Thanks, but too weird for me.
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2014, 06:03:36 PM »
Great advertising. Well done.

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2014, 09:03:39 PM »
Hi Roo.
Wow, that is incredible, but are we really seeing reflections from people's eyes or is it just more CGI nonsense? Some of the images looked to me like they strayed from the eye on to the tear duct, but only watching on an iPad 1, so I could be mistaken.

Cheers Graham.


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Re: No one sees it like you....
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2014, 10:40:55 PM »
Hi Roo.
Wow, that is incredible, but are we really seeing reflections from people's eyes or is it just more CGI nonsense? Some of the images looked to me like they strayed from the eye on to the tear duct, but only watching on an iPad 1, so I could be mistaken.

Cheers Graham.

Hi Graham

More than likely CGI but its still a nice idea to convey their message.

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Re: No one sees it like you....
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2014, 12:07:36 AM »
100% it is CGI.

But this isn't.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 09:41:16 AM »
Very interesting. I love the thought and execution...

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 09:53:01 AM »
100% it is CGI.

But this isn't.

I've heard of people doing that.... I've even heard that you can do that with the reflection from the eye of a chipmunk....
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2014, 05:15:52 PM »
100% it is CGI.

But this isn't.

I've heard of people doing that.... I've even heard that you can do that with the reflection from the eye of a chipmunk....


It isn't new. https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=reflection%20eye

Though when you look at the angle of reflection and there is no camera there you can be pretty sure that at the least it has been retouched, the video has many shots where there should be a camera reflection and there is nothing.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2014, 03:41:43 AM »
100% it is CGI.

But this isn't.

I've heard of people doing that.... I've even heard that you can do that with the reflection from the eye of a chipmunk....


It isn't new. https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=reflection%20eye

Though when you look at the angle of reflection and there is no camera there you can be pretty sure that at the least it has been retouched, the video has many shots where there should be a camera reflection and there is nothing.


At least Don's chipmunk shot is for real.

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2014, 06:04:00 AM »
........Though when you look at the angle of reflection and there is no camera there you can be pretty sure that at the least it has been retouched, the video has many shots where there should be a camera reflection and there is nothing.
The series could have been planned with that in mind from the beginning, then shot with a tilt-shift to keep the camera and its operator out of the reflections.
 
Might have been all CGI'd, might have been well planned and executed primarily in camera.
 
I like it a lot, I'd like it even more if I knew it was great camera work and not CGI.
 
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On further reflection, why would our beloved Canon, the long standing dominator of the pro imaging market resort to CGI in a corporate production?
They make and sell the gear that makes such a production possible, surely they also have access to the talent and experience to execute.
 
 
 
 
 
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2014, 10:01:24 AM »
........Though when you look at the angle of reflection and there is no camera there you can be pretty sure that at the least it has been retouched, the video has many shots where there should be a camera reflection and there is nothing.
The series could have been planned with that in mind from the beginning, then shot with a tilt-shift to keep the camera and its operator out of the reflections.
 
Might have been all CGI'd, might have been well planned and executed primarily in camera.
 
I like it a lot, I'd like it even more if I knew it was great camera work and not CGI.
 
edit......
On further reflection, why would our beloved Canon, the long standing dominator of the pro imaging market resort to CGI in a corporate production?
They make and sell the gear that makes such a production possible, surely they also have access to the talent and experience to execute.

Get real. How do you take this panned and auto AF'd in the water shot with a tilt shift? It is CGI. As is the meteor shot, which castes doubt on most, if not all, the others.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2014, 06:11:13 PM »
Try as I could, I could not find a photographic example showing how a tilt-shift lens can be used to get the camera's and operator's reflections out of the image, I did find a few quotes, here are two;

From....
http://photo.net/equipment/canon/tilt-shift
"....If you face a mirror head on, you will be in the shot. If you move to the side, it turns into a parallelogram. With a shift lens mounted, move the camera to the side, turn the film and lens parallel to the mirror, then use shift to get the original composition back (more or less)...."

From....
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/nikon_24_pc.shtml
"....One use for this capability to to be able to shoot straight into a mirror, or mirrored surface such as a glass wall, without seeing the camera's reflection....."
 
So, my suggestion to use tilt-shift was about removing the camera's reflections, nothing about tilt-shift has anything to do with auto focus or anything else in the composition.
Does that help you with your reading comprehension?
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.....Get real. How do you take this panned and auto AF'd in the water shot with a tilt shift? It is CGI. As is the meteor shot, which castes doubt on most, if not all, the others.

Ok, here's real,
(attachment should be here, don't see it in preview)
 

SOC jpg shot handheld on a 10mpx Nikon D80, iso 100, 1/125, f6.7, 300mm (x1.5 crop = 450mm), cheap arse Tamron 28-300 zoom, image tightly cropped, then zoomed to ~240%
Consider everything going against IQ, sharpness, depth of field etc., in the image.
In this image are a primary subject, the model's eye, and the secondary subjects, the reflections.
Depth of field in the primary subject is thin, in the original, the eye and most of the eyelashes are in focus, the eyebrow is quite blurred.
In the secondary, reflected in the curved surface of the eyeball image, the photographer, cars, buildings and horizon are readily apparent. With currently available, top level gear, IQ and clarity will be much greater than what is shown here.
 
Your auto focus concerns are irrelevant, camera/lens only has to focus on the eye, whatever is reflected in the eye will be in focus.
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The skydiving sequence (00:16) gave me the most trouble imagining how it was done, then I realized the camera was helmet mounted, pre-focused on the eye, whatever the eye looked at ended up in the shot. Likely many takes were required. Wind buffeted the camera on its mount.
 
At 00:10 there's a hex reflected, no, that's not reflection of aperture blades, it's an umbrella.
At 00:20 following the skydive is a boxer. Notice light changing, flashes popping in the background.
 
There is a handheld look to most of the sequences, there is motion apparent, camera relative to eye. The sequences could not have been shot handheld, I am quite at a loss to imagine how the handheld look was achieved.
 
Meteor sequence? Same as the rest, whatever reflects in the eye is captured as the secondary subject. The primary subject must only look towards the desired secondary. Camera follows the primary eye, eye follows the secondary.


Schedule the meteor shoot same as any meteor shoot, google it.
https://www.google.com/#q=meteor%20shower%202014&safe=off
Likely several simultaneous takes using multiple models and gear set ups.
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Panning? Primary subject's head with camera rig pan together, eye stays in focus, reflections stay in focus, done.
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Here's hoping your clients don't suffer from your lack of creative imagination that your post here has shown.
I quite enjoyed this video for it's artistic and entertainment value, that enjoyment has decreased significantly through this technical dis-assembly.
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I'll concede only a maybe regarding the meteor trails, and that concession concerns only light levels as I've never attempted anything similar.
Kudos to those that did even if CGI was involved.


I continue to doubt that Canon would resort to CGI to promote imaging gear, this was not an Adobe, fake what you can't do for real, production.




 






 
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Re: No one sees it like you....
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2014, 06:32:00 PM »
Try as I could, I could not find a photographic example showing how a tilt-shift lens can be used to get the camera's and operator's reflections out of the image, I did find a few quotes, here are two;

From....
http://photo.net/equipment/canon/tilt-shift
"....If you face a mirror head on, you will be in the shot. If you move to the side, it turns into a parallelogram. With a shift lens mounted, move the camera to the side, turn the film and lens parallel to the mirror, then use shift to get the original composition back (more or less)...."

From....
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/nikon_24_pc.shtml
"....One use for this capability to to be able to shoot straight into a mirror, or mirrored surface such as a glass wall, without seeing the camera's reflection....."
 
So, my suggestion to use tilt-shift was about removing the camera's reflections, nothing about tilt-shift has anything to do with auto focus or anything else in the composition.
Does that help you with your reading comprehension?
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.....Get real. How do you take this panned and auto AF'd in the water shot with a tilt shift? It is CGI. As is the meteor shot, which castes doubt on most, if not all, the others.

Ok, here's real,
(attachment should be here, don't see it in preview)
 

SOC jpg shot handheld on a 10mpx Nikon D80, iso 100, 1/125, f6.7, 300mm (x1.5 crop = 450mm), cheap arse Tamron 28-300 zoom, image tightly cropped, then zoomed to ~240%
Consider everything going against IQ, sharpness, depth of field etc., in the image.
In this image are a primary subject, the model's eye, and the secondary subjects, the reflections.
Depth of field in the primary subject is thin, in the original, the eye and most of the eyelashes are in focus, the eyebrow is quite blurred.
In the secondary, reflected in the curved surface of the eyeball image, the photographer, cars, buildings and horizon are readily apparent. With currently available, top level gear, IQ and clarity will be much greater than what is shown here.
 
Your auto focus concerns are irrelevant, camera/lens only has to focus on the eye, whatever is reflected in the eye will be in focus.
- - -
The skydiving sequence (00:16) gave me the most trouble imagining how it was done, then I realized the camera was helmet mounted, pre-focused on the eye, whatever the eye looked at ended up in the shot. Likely many takes were required. Wind buffeted the camera on its mount.
 
At 00:10 there's a hex reflected, no, that's not reflection of aperture blades, it's an umbrella.
At 00:20 following the skydive is a boxer. Notice light changing, flashes popping in the background.
 
There is a handheld look to most of the sequences, there is motion apparent, camera relative to eye. The sequences could not have been shot handheld, I am quite at a loss to imagine how the handheld look was achieved.
 
Meteor sequence? Same as the rest, whatever reflects in the eye is captured as the secondary subject. The primary subject must only look towards the desired secondary. Camera follows the primary eye, eye follows the secondary.


Schedule the meteor shoot same as any meteor shoot, google it.
https://www.google.com/#q=meteor%20shower%202014&safe=off
Likely several simultaneous takes using multiple models and gear set ups.
- - -
Panning? Primary subject's head with camera rig pan together, eye stays in focus, reflections stay in focus, done.
- - -
Here's hoping your clients don't suffer from your lack of creative imagination that your post here has shown.
I quite enjoyed this video for it's artistic and entertainment value, that enjoyment has decreased significantly through this technical dis-assembly.
- - -
I'll concede only a maybe regarding the meteor trails, and that concession concerns only light levels as I've never attempted anything similar.
Kudos to those that did even if CGI was involved.


I continue to doubt that Canon would resort to CGI to promote imaging gear, this was not an Adobe, fake what you can't do for real, production.



Oh dear.

There are no AF tilt lenses.

If you would like to demonstrate to me how somebody in the water could have a cameraman following focus with a tilt lens on a reflection of the eye then you might have a point.

Oh, as for only focus on the eye, try this, go look in a mirror, put a piece of tape on it, stand back ten feet, focus on the tape and take a picture then focus on yourself and take a picture. Notice anything?

It is just CGI, so what?

As for my reading comprehension, that isn't called for. I was pointing out obvious technical issues which you have not addressed.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2014, 07:32:07 PM »

Oh dear.

There are no AF tilt lenses.

If you would like to demonstrate to me how somebody in the water could have a cameraman following focus with a tilt lens on a reflection of the eye then you might have a point.

Oh, as for only focus on the eye, try this, go look in a mirror, put a piece of tape on it, stand back ten feet, focus on the tape and take a picture then focus on yourself and take a picture. Notice anything?

It is just CGI, so what?

As for my reading comprehension, that isn't called for. I was pointing out obvious technical issues which you have not addressed.

Ok, you win, tilt shift not needed, just tried some eye selfies (came out horrid), the eye only sees the camera if it's looking at the camera, camera doesn't show in the reflection if the eye is looking elsewhere.
So, never mind mirror shots or tape on a mirror.
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I really dislike being redundantly repetitive again and again.
There is no auto focus in use. Period.
Focus is fixed and on on the eye. Period. If the rest of the face were shown, it would be out of focus.
Reflections in the eye will be in focus.
There is no cameraman, there is no follow focus, camera is head mounted. Period.
I see no reason to think that it had to be CGI, none. It's not Adobe.
It's from Canon, it's about image capture.
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Try this, in good ambient light, take a close up photo of an eye and focused on that eye looking away from the camera, that eye looking at any randomly detailed scene. Review the reflections, they'll be in focus. Capisce?
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Do you find it fun to attempt to overly complicate relatively simple topics?
 
 
 
 

 
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