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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 02:28:16 PM »
PS - as another suggestion, maybe a 17-55 2.8 IS if you can find one within your budget (maybe look 2nd hand)?  I liked it a lot on crop (well, it does have to be on crop after all!) and the IS can be useful.  If it was me shooting with your gear, I think I'd be looking at the 17-55 2.8 IS, the Sigma 18-35 1.8 or a flash (subject to budget of course).
I could justify the price of the 17-55 (around $900, same as the Sigma 35mm 1.4 that I'm already considering), if I could convince myself that I wouldn't immediately begin wishing I had faster prime glass for indoor shooting.

I've never rented a lens before, but at that price I might go the rental route before I commit.

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 02:28:16 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2014, 08:48:09 PM »
There is no upgrade for a body cap that takes fantastic pictures. Love my pancake.

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2014, 09:33:02 PM »
PS - as another suggestion, maybe a 17-55 2.8 IS if you can find one within your budget (maybe look 2nd hand)?  I liked it a lot on crop (well, it does have to be on crop after all!) and the IS can be useful.  If it was me shooting with your gear, I think I'd be looking at the 17-55 2.8 IS, the Sigma 18-35 1.8 or a flash (subject to budget of course).
I could justify the price of the 17-55 (around $900, same as the Sigma 35mm 1.4 that I'm already considering), if I could convince myself that I wouldn't immediately begin wishing I had faster prime glass for indoor shooting.

I've never rented a lens before, but at that price I might go the rental route before I commit.
Any faster than f2.8 you will have DoF issues, so rely on IS and higher ISO, with a touch of flash.  The 17-55 is amazing, grab it used, there are a lot of them out there.  Otherwise check out the refurbs - http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/lenses-flashes/refurbished-lenses/ef-s-17-55-f-28-is-usm-refurbished

I can't believe it's down to $563 - I know I sold mine for $750 last year...
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2014, 10:04:37 PM »
Any faster than f2.8 you will have DoF issues

f/2.8 on a crop body will give comparable DOF to f/4.5 on a full frame camera - not all that thin...  At 15 feet you have a DOF of 2.83 feet with the 40mm pancake at f/2.8.  With a 35mm lens at f/1.4 the DOF is a very reasonable 7.5 inches.  There are times I would like less DOF than this, so the faster the lens the better.  You can always step down, but can't go wider than your lenses physical maximum aperture.
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2014, 11:48:45 PM »
Unless you are wanting a distance scale, very shallow depth of field or both, prepare for disappointment.

Incidentally the 85 1.8 is not sharper than the 40.

Your two lenses you have are giving a short and medium tele field of view on your t4. They are both very good lenses. I would keep the 40 and get the 24 2.8 IS. This will give you a very moderate wide angle field of view. If you don't want wider than 'standard' get the 28 2.8 IS.

I certainly agree with most of the comments. I have owned the 40mm and now I have the 35mm f2IS and the later is sharper and has IS that allow you to take pictures in very low light at low speeds. It is a general purpose lens in APS-C and excellent walkaround in FF.
If you are not planning to move to FF in the near future, I recommend the 17-55 f2.8IS and the Sigma 18-35 f1.8. These two lenses are made for APS-C and offer better IQ and sharpness than many lenses made for FF.
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2014, 12:48:47 AM »
I shoot on a t4i and currently own just two lenses - the Canon 85 1.8, and the Canon 40 2.8. I generally use the 85 outdoors and the 40 indoors, and that works pretty well for me.

The quality difference between my two lenses is pretty big though. The bokeh on my 85 is awesome, and it's also super sharp. I know this is a little biased because I generally use it in better lighting conditions, but I think it's objectively a much better lens. I'd like to get something just as good for my indoor uses (parties, pictures of my 1 year old, etc).

One option would be the Sigma 35mm 1.4, which is at the very top of the price range I could consider ($900). Coming in a little less would be the Canon 35mm 2.0. Would I notice enough of a quality upgrade going from the 40 to the 35? Anything else I should be considering?

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I know it wasn't one of the requested options, but, if you're willing to spend $900 on a new lens just for indoors, get a 6D on sale and keep using the Pancake (I love the Pancake on my 5D2). The 6D will give you 1.3 stops extra low light performance with the same lens, bring new life to every lens you have now and get from then on, and you have all the benefits associated with having a high end camera (mild weather sealing, AF microadjust, custom settings on the mode dial! wireless connectivity, have you seen how long the battery lasts on the 6D? Shall I go on?).
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2014, 01:33:33 AM »
PS - as another suggestion, maybe a 17-55 2.8 IS if you can find one within your budget (maybe look 2nd hand)?  I liked it a lot on crop (well, it does have to be on crop after all!) and the IS can be useful.  If it was me shooting with your gear, I think I'd be looking at the 17-55 2.8 IS, the Sigma 18-35 1.8 or a flash (subject to budget of course).
I could justify the price of the 17-55 (around $900, same as the Sigma 35mm 1.4 that I'm already considering), if I could convince myself that I wouldn't immediately begin wishing I had faster prime glass for indoor shooting.

I've never rented a lens before, but at that price I might go the rental route before I commit.

watch for Canon's refurb sales.  I've seen the 17-55 for under $600 there and you get a year warranty.
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2014, 06:14:01 PM »
I have owned the 40mm and now I have the 35mm f2IS and the later is sharper and has IS that allow you to take pictures in very low light at low speeds. It is a general purpose lens in APS-C and excellent walkaround in FF.
If you are not planning to move to FF in the near future, I recommend the 17-55 f2.8IS and the Sigma 18-35 f1.8. These two lenses are made for APS-C and offer better IQ and sharpness than many lenses made for FF.
Since you are familiar with both the 40mm and the 17-55 2.8, could you draw any comparison between those two lenses at the 40mm focal length that they both share? Is the zoom ability the primary reason to consider the 17-55, or would I also notice an increase in performance at 40mm (due to better IQ, or even just due to IS)?

Or to make things more complicated, what about comparing the 35mm prime to the 17-55 at 35mm?

I ask these questions, because I think I'm more attracted to a lens that will get me the occasional stunning photo than I am to versatility. If the 17-55 delivers both stunning photos and versatility, great, but otherwise I think I'd still be leaning towards the Canon or Sigma 35mm.

I greatly appreciate everyone's feedback. Please know that I take all the replies seriously, and use them as a launching point to watch youtube videos and generally learn more about all the lenses you all are recommending.

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2014, 06:22:45 PM »
I know it wasn't one of the requested options, but, if you're willing to spend $900 on a new lens just for indoors, get a 6D on sale and keep using the Pancake (I love the Pancake on my 5D2).
I love the out of the box thinking, but I think I'll wait another year or two before I upgrade my camera. I've only had the t4i for a year and a half, and in many ways am still learning how to use it.

I searched this website for 6D sale prices, and only see it going as low as $1600. That's a 78% increase from what I already determined to be the top of my price range!

Good news wife - I brought my lens idea to the canonrumors message board, and decided that instead of a 35mm prime, I'll get a 5d mark 3 and 70-200L! :)

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2014, 07:52:43 PM »
I know it wasn't one of the requested options, but, if you're willing to spend $900 on a new lens just for indoors, get a 6D on sale and keep using the Pancake (I love the Pancake on my 5D2).
I love the out of the box thinking, but I think I'll wait another year or two before I upgrade my camera. I've only had the t4i for a year and a half, and in many ways am still learning how to use it.

I searched this website for 6D sale prices, and only see it going as low as $1600. That's a 78% increase from what I already determined to be the top of my price range!

Good news wife - I brought my lens idea to the canonrumors message board, and decided that instead of a 35mm prime, I'll get a 5d mark 3 and 70-200L! :)

If you are not doing video, a used 5D classic is also an alternative.  You will love it.  I've got a 6D already but I like editing those pictures taken by my friend's 5D.  Used 5D nowadays are very cheap.

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2014, 10:24:12 PM »
I know it wasn't one of the requested options, but, if you're willing to spend $900 on a new lens just for indoors, get a 6D on sale and keep using the Pancake (I love the Pancake on my 5D2).
I love the out of the box thinking, but I think I'll wait another year or two before I upgrade my camera. I've only had the t4i for a year and a half, and in many ways am still learning how to use it.

I searched this website for 6D sale prices, and only see it going as low as $1600. That's a 78% increase from what I already determined to be the top of my price range!

Good news wife - I brought my lens idea to the canonrumors message board, and decided that instead of a 35mm prime, I'll get a 5d mark 3 and 70-200L! :)

There are packages where you can buy the 6d a 24-105, a printer and other assorted crap.  If you can sell the printer and if you can get a decent price for the 24-105... you might have a 6D for around $1200.  Sell the t4i for $450ish... and you are talking about an body upgrade for $750.

It is all conjecture until you get the cash in your hand, but I usually buy and sell my own gear as I progress... small upgrades and treating my gear as commodities that have value and may appreciate in value... well... it has done me well.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2014, 10:26:55 PM »
I know it wasn't one of the requested options, but, if you're willing to spend $900 on a new lens just for indoors, get a 6D on sale and keep using the Pancake (I love the Pancake on my 5D2).
I love the out of the box thinking, but I think I'll wait another year or two before I upgrade my camera. I've only had the t4i for a year and a half, and in many ways am still learning how to use it.

I searched this website for 6D sale prices, and only see it going as low as $1600. That's a 78% increase from what I already determined to be the top of my price range!

Good news wife - I brought my lens idea to the canonrumors message board, and decided that instead of a 35mm prime, I'll get a 5d mark 3 and 70-200L! :)

If you are not doing video, a used 5D classic is also an alternative.  You will love it.  I've got a 6D already but I like editing those pictures taken by my friend's 5D.  Used 5D nowadays are very cheap.

I never had a 5dc... so I might be pulling this out of an ass... probably my own.  But the 5dc has a max iso of 1600... or was that the max usable iso... I don't remember.  With the 18mp line of canons... I think 1600 was the max usable iso for most... but for me, I tolerated 2500. 

So in good light... or even moderate light... it is a solid option... but in piss pot poor light... well... that's the 6D's specialty.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2014, 11:53:45 PM »
I have owned the 40mm and now I have the 35mm f2IS and the later is sharper and has IS that allow you to take pictures in very low light at low speeds. It is a general purpose lens in APS-C and excellent walkaround in FF.
If you are not planning to move to FF in the near future, I recommend the 17-55 f2.8IS and the Sigma 18-35 f1.8. These two lenses are made for APS-C and offer better IQ and sharpness than many lenses made for FF.
Since you are familiar with both the 40mm and the 17-55 2.8, could you draw any comparison between those two lenses at the 40mm focal length that they both share? Is the zoom ability the primary reason to consider the 17-55, or would I also notice an increase in performance at 40mm (due to better IQ, or even just due to IS)?

Or to make things more complicated, what about comparing the 35mm prime to the 17-55 at 35mm?

I ask these questions, because I think I'm more attracted to a lens that will get me the occasional stunning photo than I am to versatility. If the 17-55 delivers both stunning photos and versatility, great, but otherwise I think I'd still be leaning towards the Canon or Sigma 35mm.

I greatly appreciate everyone's feedback. Please know that I take all the replies seriously, and use them as a launching point to watch youtube videos and generally learn more about all the lenses you all are recommending.

I found the 35 f/2 IS to be almost same as the 17-55 with both lenses wide open, and slightly sharper at f/2.8.
This is with both lenses on my 7D and not in any scientific testing at charts, but my trying out a friend's lens over a weekend. If you already like the 35mm focal length based on your 40mm, I don't see why you should choose the zoom. But without having used the 40/2.8 I am not sure the improvement provided by the 35 f/2 will knock your socks off. You are much better off getting a good copy of the 50/1.4 in my opinion.
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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2014, 11:53:45 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2014, 01:56:38 AM »
I know it wasn't one of the requested options, but, if you're willing to spend $900 on a new lens just for indoors, get a 6D on sale and keep using the Pancake (I love the Pancake on my 5D2).
I love the out of the box thinking, but I think I'll wait another year or two before I upgrade my camera. I've only had the t4i for a year and a half, and in many ways am still learning how to use it.

I searched this website for 6D sale prices, and only see it going as low as $1600. That's a 78% increase from what I already determined to be the top of my price range!

Good news wife - I brought my lens idea to the canonrumors message board, and decided that instead of a 35mm prime, I'll get a 5d mark 3 and 70-200L! :)

If you are not doing video, a used 5D classic is also an alternative.  You will love it.  I've got a 6D already but I like editing those pictures taken by my friend's 5D.  Used 5D nowadays are very cheap.

I never had a 5dc... so I might be pulling this out of an ass... probably my own.  But the 5dc has a max iso of 1600... or was that the max usable iso... I don't remember.  With the 18mp line of canons... I think 1600 was the max usable iso for most... but for me, I tolerated 2500. 

So in good light... or even moderate light... it is a solid option... but in piss pot poor light... well... that's the 6D's specialty.

Generally, if ISO 1600 is enough for you then 5D should be ok.  It can go up to 3200 though...

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/canon-eos-5d-mark-i-vs-ii-vs-iii-review-comparison-19775
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5dmarkii/38

It's still a great starter camera and still better in terms of IQ at any comparable ISO (raw) against any 18mp APS-C camera from Canon.

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Re: Looking for an upgrade to my shorty 40 (indoor/general lens)
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2014, 09:14:36 PM »
I ended up ordering the Canon 35 IS if anyone is curious. Looking forward to getting it in the mail and putting it to use!

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