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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 04:23:04 AM »
ok, 2000mm got my attention, but I don't know much about these cameras... so, a question to someone who does...

how would a picture from SX60 at 2000mm compare to lets say 6D + lets say Tamron 150-600 at 600mm, cropped to the same frame?

thank you

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2014, 04:23:04 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2014, 04:42:50 AM »
i had a fuji superzoom bridge and it looked just bad at the long end.

Check this out.  This is a T2i+100-400L+1.4xTC III versus an SX50.  These are 100% crops from more than 800 meters away.



A T2i has a 1.6 crop factor so a 100-400L @400mm will get you to 1.6 x 400 = 640mm.
Combine that with the 1.4x TCIII and you get 640 x 1.4 = 896mm
No where near 1200mm so these 2 photos cant both be 100% crops @1200mm equivalent
You need another 1.4 extender to get to 1200mm with the T2i

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2014, 04:53:55 AM »
i had a fuji superzoom bridge and it looked just bad at the long end.

Check this out.  This is a T2i+100-400L+1.4xTC III versus an SX50.  These are 100% crops from more than 800 meters away.



A T2i has a 1.6 crop factor so a 100-400L @400mm will get you to 1.6 x 400 = 640mm.
Combine that with the 1.4x TCIII and you get 640 x 1.4 = 896mm
No where nearer 1200mm so these 2 photos cant both be 100% crops @1200mm equivalent
You need another 1.4 extender to get to 1200mm with the T2i

Ithink that's one of the reasons he posted the pics.  Price per IQ is too good for the sx50.  On the other hand, if IQ and AF speed is very good, (maybe put in the 70d AF tech, then it's compelling to have such a long zoom.

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2014, 05:22:53 AM »
For those considering a SX60, and assuming it is mild upgrade from the SX50, (what else would Canon do ?) you may want to take a look at the links below. They are what convinced me to give the SX50 a try and I'm glad I did. Canon really did a good job with it. Even without the 100X zoom the 50X, 24-1200mm, is very useful. If I'm shooting outside it goes with me, whether I have a DSLR along or not.

If you want a bargain, the SX50 is now $319 at Amazon, the list price is 429 and was selling for no less than 399 up until a few months ago. It is #4 at Amazon in their point & shoot digital camera sales. I'd expect the SX60 to sell at something very close to 430 for a while, or more.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/canon_sx_50_review.shtml

http://stokesbirdingblog.blogspot.com/2013/04/red-shouldered-hawk-canon-sx-50-up-close.html

http://www.flickr.com/groups/2082775@N20/pool/?view=md
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2014, 06:22:47 AM »
ok, 2000mm got my attention, but I don't know much about these cameras... so, a question to someone who does...

how would a picture from SX60 at 2000mm compare to lets say 6D + lets say Tamron 150-600 at 600mm, cropped to the same frame?

thank you

Look a few posts up.

yes, I have seen that, thank you,

however, as somebody already pointed out, 400*1,4*1,6 is not 1200, also, I think at this point we are talking about an MF only combo, with crop sensor at who knows what ISO (its f11 and 1/1000s)...

but I also understand that I asked about a camera, that is in the rumor stage, so never mind  ;)

basically though, for a moment it seemed here, that there is no reason for a big white lens (or, to be honest, for me to buy the Tamron 150-600 for my 6D), when you can have 2000mm with IS and AF in pocket size, and that just doesn't sound right, or?

so what is it (and again, I'm sorry if its a stupid question, but I don't know much about superzooms) that's the trade off, slow AF, ISO...?
And if so, than in good light, with stationary subjects... will the SX beat the cropped picture from an FF DSLR with a 600mm lens, or are the small lenses and small sensors not that good?
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2014, 08:34:04 AM »
I have the SX50 and can say that an extended focal range, beyond the 24-1200, 50X optical zoom of the SX50, is not one of the improvements that the SX50 replacement needs, as I see it.
What it is does need is a wider maximum aperture, a cleaner button layout and ideally a larger sensor. I'm not holding my breath for the larger sensor, but surely a bit wider aperture is doable, as f/3.4 on a tiny sensor is quite limiting. It does a great job when scouting local locations because the zoom can pull in good detail from quite a distance and saves me a lot of walking time, but in low light situations, indoors at night for example, it's a tough go. Granted it is a point and shoot camera that is optimized for outdoors, and it is very good at that, and very few P&S are really good indoors, but a little more attention to low-light situations would expand it's uses nicely. It doesn't have to cut into the S120 territory to be more useful.
The SX50 button layout on the back is frustrating for those with larger hands, and older hands. I've missed shots because the wrong button was accidently brushed against and activated at just the wrong moment. I have DSLRs and other P&Ss and don't have that problem, it's just the SX50.
I find that I am forever accidentally turning on the self timer. Better buttons would be my number one improvement.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2014, 08:39:57 AM »
ok, 2000mm got my attention, but I don't know much about these cameras... so, a question to someone who does...

how would a picture from SX60 at 2000mm compare to lets say 6D + lets say Tamron 150-600 at 600mm, cropped to the same frame?

thank you
I would go shoot a comparison between the SX50 and the Tamron....... But we are having a snowstorm here and the visibility is quite poor...

What I can tell you is that the AF and speed of the SX50 is poor in comparison, but on the other hand, I can't tuck the Tamron into a coat pocket.....
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2014, 08:39:57 AM »

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2014, 08:46:30 AM »
Don
You are so right about turning on the self-timer by mistake. The SX50 is a fantastic little camera (I set up thread showing how it could for static photos out-resolve a 100-400 on a 5DIII). But, my wife turns on the self-timer every time so I have just bought her a touch-screen driven Ixus, which is basically foolproof. The little Ixus 310HS performs very well and I have just posted some photos in the City and Street scenes section.

The most important improvement would be to speed up the AF by using dual pixel technology.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2014, 08:58:25 AM »
Hi all,

I love Canon superzoom Powershot family, I own S5, SX1, SX40 and SX50. (it's a hobby I keep them all) And I can't wait for SX60. What I would really love is:

1. More zoom enchancements (x60 or more) best would be getting 20mm ultrawide and better (>1200mm) ultrazoom(35mm equivalent) the more the better for me. If 20mm-2000mm is true the better for me. I am wildlife/ornithology fotoamateur as well as astronomy and that zoom would be a cross between camera/camcorder/telescope ;)

2. Definitively better EVF resolution! This is bothering me since S5 till now.

3. Faster, better picture quality (overall but mostly in lowlight),

4 At least 30frames/s in 1080p

Points 3. and 4. can be achieved -> sensor enchancements + Digic 6 should do the job.

5. Bring back mount for filters(I know it was not officially there but it was in all cameras including SX40 - I have lots of filters including Circular Polariser which I still use wih SX40 but I can't on SX50 - I do not know why some 'wise' guy took it off from SX50 - bring it back, please)

I do not care about:

1. Better resolution. With this sensor size 12MP is fine for me.
2. RAW as I use CHDK RAW anyway.
3. Printed manual.
4. Build in wi-fi -> can be sorted out by SD wireless card.

It would be great to see a supreme quality ultrazoom similar to SX1 with all SX60 features + extras(better build quality, weather sealing, manual focus/zoom wheel, etc.)

In some distant future I would love to see your x100 zoom patent applied:smileywink: (18mm-1800mm) with 1/2.3" sensor.

Also another product line with super zoom but larger sensor (like 1/1.7" ) and I do not care if this camera would be larger and heavier. I am a big boy - Just bring it on!

Keep up good job Canon. Your fan. :)

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2014, 09:23:52 AM »
ok, 2000mm got my attention, but I don't know much about these cameras... so, a question to someone who does...

how would a picture from SX60 at 2000mm compare to lets say 6D + lets say Tamron 150-600 at 600mm, cropped to the same frame?

thank you
I would go shoot a comparison between the SX50 and the Tamron....... But we are having a snowstorm here and the visibility is quite poor...

What I can tell you is that the AF and speed of the SX50 is poor in comparison, but on the other hand, I can't tuck the Tamron into a coat pocket.....

thank you very much, that would be great... and I'll gladly wait for better weather  :)
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2014, 09:43:26 AM »
i had a fuji superzoom bridge and it looked just bad at the long end.

Check this out.  This is a T2i+100-400L+1.4xTC III versus an SX50.  These are 100% crops from more than 800 meters away.



A T2i has a 1.6 crop factor so a 100-400L @400mm will get you to 1.6 x 400 = 640mm.
Combine that with the 1.4x TCIII and you get 640 x 1.4 = 896mm
No where near 1200mm so these 2 photos cant both be 100% crops @1200mm equivalent
You need another 1.4 extender to get to 1200mm with the T2i

Yes, they can, and they are.  The T2i is 18MP versus the 12MP of the SX50.

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2014, 09:48:55 AM »
i had a fuji superzoom bridge and it looked just bad at the long end.

Check this out.  This is a T2i+100-400L+1.4xTC III versus an SX50.  These are 100% crops from more than 800 meters away.



A T2i has a 1.6 crop factor so a 100-400L @400mm will get you to 1.6 x 400 = 640mm.
Combine that with the 1.4x TCIII and you get 640 x 1.4 = 896mm
No where near 1200mm so these 2 photos cant both be 100% crops @1200mm equivalent
You need another 1.4 extender to get to 1200mm with the T2i

Yes, they can, and they are.  The T2i is 18MP versus the 12MP of the SX50.

Let's do the math.  400mm * 1.414 * 1.62 crop * (5184px/4000px) = 1183mm equivalent.

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2014, 10:05:42 AM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs. ??? It can also be useful for men with small dick complex. :o Seriously. There could be two different versions: One more wide angle, such as 20-1000mm (equivalent). And another more tele like 35-2000mm (equivalent). Since the maximum aperture of the lens were not darker than F5.6 I could have fun with them. As much as the zoom increases, there is always the desire to be bigger. As for the size of my di-k... ::) Well I wish it were a little bigger. ;D

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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2014, 11:13:38 AM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.
Quite true....
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2014, 11:24:23 AM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.
Quite true....
I'm sure "Robert Capa" would have made the photo of the birds copulating with a 28mm lens. :o Do not ask me how it would come so close. :P

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