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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2014, 11:27:58 AM »
I first got my feet wet with digital photography with a cheap little Canon A430 pocket camera.  At first, I just used it as basic snapshot camera, then I began to experiment with macro and different modes.  This lead me to want "something a little better," so I bought a Canon SX10 superzoom "bridge" camera in 2009.  And THAT'S when I began to get more adventurous!  Love the SX10 and it lead me on the path to DSLR's--the T3i and then the 7D. 

This is a common path for a "bridge" camera user, as it whets the appetite for more flexibility and control, so it often leads one to wanting to get into a DSLR. Yet I've never lost my affection for the classic Superzoom bridge cameras.  I bought a brand new in the box SX50 some months ago, from Kijiji (a sort of Canadian Craigslist), for only $200 all in.

 I must say it's impressive--not a replacement for a DSLR and good lens, but Superzooms give tremendous versatility in a small package.   If my primary goal is photography, then my two DSLR's come with me.  Usually with a general purpose lens, like the 15-85 or 40mm pancake on the T3i and the 100-400 on my 7D.  Under those circumstances I may also have the SX50 and/or Panasonic FZ200 in the car.  Sometimes I'll just take one of the SLR's out with me, with one of the Superzoom's along as a "just in case" the lens on the SLR isn't right for a sudden, and unexpected situation.

An example, if I expect even-odds on both Telephoto and wide-angle shots, then the T3i with general purpose lens and the 7D with 100-400 go with me.  This is a heavy and bulky combo though, but worth it if I KNOW I want both wide angle and telephoto.  But, if I am primarily after one type of subject, then I choose whichever DSLR fits the primary goal and use one of the Superzooms as a contingency second body.  So, if I plan to do some landscape shots, I might take the SX50 or FZ200 as an "emergency" telephoto camera, in case a hawk or animal suddenly springs up where I don't expect it to.  It may not be as "good" as the 7D and 100-400, but it beats the 15-85 or the 40!  Or, if I am primarily after a telephoto target, I might bring along one of the superzooms as a contingency wide angle camera, to take a shot of an interesting building or vista I didn't expect.  It is a lot easier to carry an SLR and superzoom than it is to carry two SLR's!  And I've kicked myself often enough for missing a shot for want of the appropriate focal length selection!!!

Another use for the Superzooms is to have a versatile camera with you when you aren't in the mood to haul bulky and equivalent equipment with you.  If I'm going for a walk where photography is NOT the primary goal, and I don't feel like lugging a pair of SLR's and their lenses around, I grab one of the Superzooms.  I may take few shots, or none at all, but at least I've got a camera with a very useful range of focal lengths with me, in case the singing frog from the Bugs Bunny cartoon makes an unexpected appearance!!  ::)  And it can be so liberating to "travel light," yet still have the ability to shoot from wide-angle to super telephoto with one (relatively) small camera. 

I often bring out the Superzooms when I just don't feel like hauling a lot of equipment with me---especially when I'm longing for the simple "good old days" when the old SX10 was my pride and joy--a single body with a 28mm to 560mm reach.  It didn't take the same quality of photos I can get with my DSLR's (or as the newer SX50  and FZ200 for that matter!), but it did still take some gorgeous photos.  For stationary subjects in good light, it worked very well.  I got some great shots of herons with it, and the two new ones have also worked well as "backup" wildlife and landscape cameras.

 I bought the SX10 new in 2009, but both the SX50 and FZ200 I purchased for VERY good prices off Kijij.  In addition, I also bought a Fujifilm X10 from Kijiji as well--which has a fast lens and makes a very good low light camera that is compact and easy to take places where I wouldn't want to carry a bulky SLR.  It's rather challenging to change cameras and systems (the FZ200 layout is logical, but designed to frustrate a long time Canon user to no end! LOL), but that's part of the "fun" as well. I'm not a pro--I shoot as a hobby and FUN is where it's at for me.  I find using different pieces of equipment and deciding which camera is the right tool for the moment at hand is a part of the "fun."   I also clearly have a bad case of GAS (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) but hey, that's a part of the FUN factor for me too!

Regarding the layout of the SX50, I concur that it's too easy to hit the wrong button.  As a matter of fact, it's amazing how much better the old SX10 fits the hand than either the SX50 or the FZ200 do.  It's larger than either, and it has a much larger, deeper and more comfortable grip than either, so the new cameras don't have it ALL over the old one. 

I'd like to see a larger camera in the SX60, but I don't think that's likely as there is a strong bias towards compact electronics.  I'm quite anxious to see how the SX60 performs when it does arrive.  It's not "in the centre of my RADAR" the way the 7D II or the 100-400 II are, but it's still something interesting to me.  Superzooms are great as a "bridge" for the novice shooter towards DSLR's--and they can remain compelling and fun tools, even after you've 'graduated!'   ;D
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2014, 11:27:58 AM »

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2014, 11:34:25 AM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.
Quite true....

What an awesome shot Don!  And LOL at voyeur!  What was used for this shot?
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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2014, 11:49:57 AM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.
Quite true....

What an awesome shot Don!  And LOL at voyeur!  What was used for this shot?
SX50 handheld at 1200mm.... from a kayak....

It is a very capable toy camera.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2014, 12:05:07 PM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.
Quite true....

What an awesome shot Don!  And LOL at voyeur!  What was used for this shot?

It is a very capable toy camera.
SX50 handheld at 1200mm.... from a kayak....

I figured it was the SX50.  Beautiful shot! It really is a remarkable camera for the size and for the $$'s! :D


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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2014, 12:50:32 PM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.

Quite true....

I'm sure "Robert Capa" would have made the photo of the birds copulating with a 28mm lens. :o Do not ask me how it would come so close. :P



Anybody could do as Capa did there, stage the shot with no enemy fire for miles, not saying he wasn't a true combat photographer, just that holding that image up as an example is fatally flawed. Unlike the many thousands of close combat images shot nowadays with 16-35mm lenses.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2014, 01:15:42 PM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.

Quite true....

I'm sure "Robert Capa" would have made the photo of the birds copulating with a 28mm lens. :o Do not ask me how it would come so close. :P



Anybody could do as Capa did there, stage the shot with no enemy fire for miles, not saying he wasn't a true combat photographer, just that holding that image up as an example is fatally flawed. Unlike the many thousands of close combat images shot nowadays with 16-35mm lenses.

Was that a staged shot?
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2014, 03:21:03 PM »
A camera with 100x zoom is intended for entertainment only. Including voyeurs.

Quite true....

I'm sure "Robert Capa" would have made the photo of the birds copulating with a 28mm lens. :o Do not ask me how it would come so close. :P



Anybody could do as Capa did there, stage the shot with no enemy fire for miles, not saying he wasn't a true combat photographer, just that holding that image up as an example is fatally flawed. Unlike the many thousands of close combat images shot nowadays with 16-35mm lenses.

Was that a staged shot?


Some evidence suggests that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Soldier



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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2014, 04:35:39 PM »
i had a fuji superzoom bridge and it looked just bad at the long end.


Check this out.  This is a T2i+100-400L+1.4xTC III versus an SX50.  These are 100% crops from more than 800 meters away.




A T2i has a 1.6 crop factor so a 100-400L @400mm will get you to 1.6 x 400 = 640mm.
Combine that with the 1.4x TCIII and you get 640 x 1.4 = 896mm
No where near 1200mm so these 2 photos cant both be 100% crops @1200mm equivalent
You need another 1.4 extender to get to 1200mm with the T2i


Yes, they can, and they are.  The T2i is 18MP versus the 12MP of the SX50.


If we follow your "logic" the original Rebel (6 MP) doesn’t have the same  35 mm equivalent focal length as the T2i (18 MP) because it has 1/3 of the T2i’s megapixels...
I’m sorry, but megapixels are not a factor in focal length equivalence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35_mm_equivalent_focal_length

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2014, 04:58:36 PM »
If we follow your "logic" the original Rebel (6 MP) doesn’t have the same  35 mm equivalent focal length as the T2i (18 MP) because it has 1/3 of the T2i’s megapixels...
I’m sorry, but megapixels are not a factor in focal length equivalence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35_mm_equivalent_focal_length


Fine.  Call it whatever you want.  This was the SX50 at 215mm versus the T2i at 560mm.  The image scale (angle subtended by each pixel) was very nearly identical between the shots.

Or, if you prefer, this was the T2i at 560mm cropped to match the field of view of the SX50 at 1,200mm equivalent.  Same thing.

The point is, the SX50 at the long end held its own against a Canon full-frame L-zoom telephoto used at virtually its maximum resolving power.  Not bad for a $450 camera/lens combination with a 50x zoom range.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2014, 05:15:22 PM »

I’m sorry, but megapixels are not a factor in focal length equivalence.


But it does factor into the number of pixels on target....

An SX50 puts 4000 pixels across a full image. At it's long end (1200mm equivalent) it puts as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel FF camera through a 1200mm lens.... or as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel crop camera with a 750mm (1200/1.6) lens... or as many pixels on target as a 70D with a 548mm (1200/1.6)*(4000/5472).... The extra pixels allows you to crop the image an additional 1.37X to give the same number of pixels on Target.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2014, 05:52:28 PM »
The two biggest things about the SX50 that are disappointing are the lens speed, and the viewfinder.

I doubt a wider focal length range will make the lens speed better.  Worse is more likely.

The EVF on the SX50 isn't bad, but it isn't great either.  It's biggest problem is the optics in front of the microdisplay (the "eyepiece", if you will).  The thing suffers from a horrible lack of field flatness making the image of the microdisplay downright blurry in the corners.  If you adjust the diopter to get sharp corners, it's blurry in the center.  If you compromise, it's somewhat soft all over.  I'd love to see better optics and a higher resolution microdisplay.  It doesn't have to be bigger or brighter to please me.

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2014, 05:58:52 PM »

I’m sorry, but megapixels are not a factor in focal length equivalence.



But it does factor into the number of pixels on target....

An SX50 puts 4000 pixels across a full image. At it's long end (1200mm equivalent) it puts as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel FF camera through a 1200mm lens.... or as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel crop camera with a 750mm (1200/1.6) lens... or as many pixels on target as a 70D with a 548mm (1200/1.6)*(4000/5472).... The extra pixels allows you to crop the image an additional 1.37X to give the same number of pixels on Target.


That only works if the smaller pixels are "as good" as the bigger pixels. They never are. In good light the difference is normally small enough to not be a major issue, pretty much any P&S can take fantastic colourful, rich, detailed, and sharp images at 100iso and good daylight. Start to lower the light levels and the smaller pixels always start to show their lesser capabilities.

Look at this link from 2008.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2014, 06:05:27 PM »

I’m sorry, but megapixels are not a factor in focal length equivalence.



But it does factor into the number of pixels on target....

An SX50 puts 4000 pixels across a full image. At it's long end (1200mm equivalent) it puts as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel FF camera through a 1200mm lens.... or as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel crop camera with a 750mm (1200/1.6) lens... or as many pixels on target as a 70D with a 548mm (1200/1.6)*(4000/5472).... The extra pixels allows you to crop the image an additional 1.37X to give the same number of pixels on Target.


That only works if the smaller pixels are "as good" as the bigger pixels. They never are. In good light the difference is normally small enough to not be a major issue, pretty much any P&S can take fantastic colourful, rich, detailed, and sharp images at 100iso and good daylight. Start to lower the light levels and the smaller pixels always start to show their lesser capabilities.

Look at this link from 2008.


That's true, but realize that the SX50 was at f/6.5 and the 100-400L was at f/11, which was stopped down due to optical softness.  That means the SX50 was at ISO 100 and the T2i was closer to ISO 400 for the same shutter speed (I don't have the original with me so I can't check).  This goes a lot way toward equalizing the pixel performance.

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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2014, 06:25:07 PM »
Not really.

The SX50 has a 3.48 crop factor to the APS-C, it has 5.68 crop factor to a ff camera.

For equivalence a 7D and 400mm @ f11 and 400iso should be SX50 115mm @ f3.16 and 115iso.

At these settings, if the pixel level performance is equal, the images will be identical, including diffraction. But that was not my point, in good light they might be, but in anything but good light they will not be.
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Re: Canon PowerShot SX 60 IS 100x Zoom Mentioned Again [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2014, 06:31:07 PM »

I’m sorry, but megapixels are not a factor in focal length equivalence.



But it does factor into the number of pixels on target....

An SX50 puts 4000 pixels across a full image. At it's long end (1200mm equivalent) it puts as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel FF camera through a 1200mm lens.... or as many pixels on target as a 12Mpixel crop camera with a 750mm (1200/1.6) lens... or as many pixels on target as a 70D with a 548mm (1200/1.6)*(4000/5472).... The extra pixels allows you to crop the image an additional 1.37X to give the same number of pixels on Target.


That only works if the smaller pixels are "as good" as the bigger pixels. They never are. In good light the difference is normally small enough to not be a major issue, pretty much any P&S can take fantastic colourful, rich, detailed, and sharp images at 100iso and good daylight. Start to lower the light levels and the smaller pixels always start to show their lesser capabilities.

Look at this link from 2008.


70D... 5472 pixels in 22.3mm, or 245.4 pixels per mm....
SX-50.. 4000 pixels in 6.17mm, or 648.3 pixels per mm....

We are not dealing with smaller pixels, we are dealing with pixels having 7 times the area, so we are not only cropping away pixels to have the same number on target, those remaining pixels are also far bigger.
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