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*UPDATE* The "Historic" November 3, 2011 Announcement [CR1]
« on: October 30, 2011, 09:18:39 PM »

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I was also told that we’ll see at least two compact cine lenses, and possibly a third. No focal lengths were mentioned.


More hints?



  • Price: sub $15,000 – possible down to $10,000

  • Image quality: Alexa good

  • SDI outs

  • XLRs (audio)

  • Piviting & detachable monitors and grips

  • PL mount and EF mount options

  • Resolution – 4k capture, 2k recording


Source: PhotoLifeToys


CR’s Take

There will be no DSLR announcement on November 3, 2011. This is a video only announcement. However, there could be “EF” and “EOS” branding involved.


I was told Vincent Laforet has been shooting promo material with the new camera in the Los Angeles area. However, he was NOT shooting with a DSLR.


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*UPDATE* The "Historic" November 3, 2011 Announcement [CR1]
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 10:21:25 PM »
What does "Image quality: Alexa good" means?

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 10:38:24 PM »
What does "Image quality: Alexa good" means?

That means the quality is claimed to be comparable  to the IQ of a Alexa.  The Alexa is a high end video camera made by Arri with a full frame 35mm sensor. 

http://visionaryforces.com/arri-alexa-digital-video-camera.html

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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 11:05:01 PM »
Sorry for the dumb question, but what "4k capture, 2k record" mean?

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 11:20:24 PM »
Sorry for the dumb question, but what "4k capture, 2k record" mean?

Probably uncompressed 4K over SDI, but can only compress/record 2K on whatever onboard media it contains.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2011, 12:08:22 AM »
Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.


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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 12:09:06 AM »
Sorry for the dumb question, but what "4k capture, 2k record" mean?
Either what the guy above me said, or it's sensor's resolution is 4k and it outputs its footage (either through HD-SDI or onto CF or SSD) in 2k, possibly upgradeable (in the future) to full 4k RAW output.

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 12:20:19 AM »
Not sure how accurate this is, but I've heard numerous times that the Scarlet is going to be a 2/3" sensor. After making people wait an eternity for the Scarlet, if that is true, it would be the biggest disappointment in camera history. If it is 2/3", I guarantee they will sell about 2 cameras total.

As for Canon, where is the middle ground? It's great that you guys are finally introducing a $10K+ camera that's "Alexa" good, but since the 1D is still H264 compression (ie. low end), what camera is going to be in the middle for video?

I just hope they introduce something in the same price range as the Panny AF101 or the Sony FS100. Something more people can afford.

Or just get it over with and introduce a good full frame video DSLR. That's what made Canon video famous. People just want an update to that with some tweaks. Evolve the same formula and just listen to what your customers want (4:2:2, 1080p 60fps, a flip screen), and you will sell a lot of cameras

Don't evolve the formula and don't listen to what your customers want, and you will sell a lot less cameras. The only thing that sets Canon video apart from the others is Full Frame. Without that, Canon is just another fish in the pond.

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Re: *UPDATE* The "Historic" November 3, 2011 Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 12:49:33 AM »
Probably another dumb question - what's the point of an EF mount for a $10,000+ video camera ?

It seems to me that EF lenses are not a big attraction to someone who can spend that much money on video equipment.

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 01:21:17 AM »


That means the quality is claimed to be comparable  to the IQ of a Alexa.  The Alexa is a high end video camera made by Arri with a full frame 35mm sensor. 

http://visionaryforces.com/arri-alexa-digital-video-camera.html
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The Arri sensor is not FF in the same way the Canon 5D is.... it is not a 24x36 sensor.
The Alexa sensor has an image out size of 23.76 mm x 13.37 mm (16:9) is  2880 x 1620 Pixels
 

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 01:56:32 AM »
Probably another dumb question - what's the point of an EF mount for a $10,000+ video camera ?

It seems to me that EF lenses are not a big attraction to someone who can spend that much money on video equipment.

well, 10-15k honestly isn't a high price in the whole cinema world. Arri / Zeiss Master Primes usually cost around 25k per lens just as an example. as it is, the EF/PL interchangeable zeiss CP2 lenses are $3900 a piece. so, having an EF mount affords you the option of having more glass at your disposal. The only downside is follow focus and most high end matte box equipment. They're usually suited for the larger focus ring diameter and the functionality of the PL lens mechanics. Even with the f3, people are using canon and nikon glass with adapters to save money on the PL option. I'm sure canon will offer a PL mount substitute or adapter, as even 3rd party companies have done with the dslrs.

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 02:56:48 AM »
What does "Image quality: Alexa good" means?

For example, the ARRI Alexa has been shown to have at least 4 more stops of DR than does the Canon 5D2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hqzw5MEa8

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 02:59:24 AM »
Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.

Red have been over promising and under-delivering for years now, so I wouldn't get too excited about them.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 03:03:40 AM »
Probably another dumb question - what's the point of an EF mount for a $10,000+ video camera ?

It seems to me that EF lenses are not a big attraction to someone who can spend that much money on video equipment.

How many super-zooms (e.g 800mm) are there for PL mount?

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 03:48:47 AM »
How many super-zooms (e.g 800mm) are there for PL mount?
How many 800mm zoom lenses are available for EF?

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