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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 12:18:53 PM »
How many super-zooms (e.g 800mm) are there for PL mount?
How many 800mm zoom lenses are available for EF?

One, as far as I know - the Sigma 300-800.

 - Woody -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_800mm_lens

Can you explain how that qualifies as a "super-zoom" lens, or any kind of zoom lens?  Perhaps you should check out this other wiki page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_lens
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 12:18:53 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2011, 12:19:58 PM »
Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.

Do you mean the re-announcement of Scarlett by Red?  Is was already announced in 2008 for shipment in 2009?  Are some still waiting for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RED_Scarlet

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2011, 12:58:44 PM »
Interesting to see a small visionary American company taking on Canon on the very same day!

http://www.red.com/

Feeling more than very let down by Canon over the not for me new 1D line I rather hope they trump their Oriental competitors.

Do you mean the re-announcement of Scarlett by Red?  Is was already announced in 2008 for shipment in 2009?  Are some still waiting for it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RED_Scarlet

Come on, Japan has been a US military outpost since WWII.  That makes them part of the empire in my book.

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2011, 01:13:58 PM »
5d mk3 will be announced

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2011, 01:33:53 PM »
Oh, you mean I should have just called it a "super telephoto" lens instead of zoom?

Means the same to me :-P

Just remember that the next time you need to reframe a shot with a prime lens.   :P  With an 800mm lens, you might need to walk a few hundred feet to do that, while someone with Woody's 300-800mm zoom would just twist the zoom ring and take the shot.
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Re: *UPDATE* The "Historic" November 3, 2011 Announcement [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2011, 02:07:16 PM »
Too bad that none of Canon's prime lenses actually have prime numbers for the focal length.

Off day?   ;)  What about the TS-E 17mm f/4L...
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2011, 03:26:51 PM »
Im surprised none of you find this more exciting....do you realize the hardware thats required to make this thing work? 10k would be steal. Im hoping it does 4k full HD directly to CF, because that would really make some RED competition. Obviously canon is saving less-compressed video for their video cameras - or else why would the new 1DX still do H264?

Super 35mm sensor isnt so bad either - your going to export to 16x9 or wider anyways, no need for the extra space (and processing power needed) for a taller sensor.

As for EF v PL mount, Im guessing it will be able to do both via adapter. Very useful considering that there is some high quality EF glass out there - and you can adapt most other lenses (nikon F, pentax, etc) to EF already. I think the real question we should be asking is:

Whats the deal with AF? EF video lenses? New lenses releasd by canon for concurrent use with the DSLR's and new cinema cameras? This could get very interesting.

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2011, 03:26:51 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2011, 03:45:02 PM »
Here is the scoop on the November 3 announcement by Canon:

The camera to be announced will be priced at above $50,000. (body only).

How do I know this?  Because:
1. The president of Canon is flying from Tokyo to Hollywood for the announcement.
2. Invitations for the event have only be sent to mainstream studios and other high end studios.
3. The public is not invited to the event because there is no room for a big audience in the small room where the announcement will be made in the new Canon offices on the Sunset-Gower studio lot.

So based upon these FACTS, sorry to crush your wishful thinking of a $10,000. camera, but this is not a consumer or even pro-sumer or even independent filmmaker event.  This is an event for mainstream studios.

The camera to be announced is designed to compete with Sony's F65 CineAlta 4K camera, a $65,000 body only camera.

Later, next year, you'll hear some trickle down for lesser models at lesser price points with less features.  But not on November 3. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2011, 04:28:34 PM »
You are forgetting the fact that Canon is choosing to announce the same day as Red Scarlet.

There is no way Scarlet is going to be priced anywhere above $15k, so that leads me to believe that whatever Canon is going to announce that day will compete in that price range.

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2011, 04:59:46 PM »
Well, the web page I asked for a list of Canon's prime lenses didn't list any of the TS lenses, so it would seem that there's some disagreement about whether that is considered a prime lens :D

Probably about as much disagreement as over whether the 800mm f/5.6L IS is a superzoom lens.   :P
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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2011, 05:14:08 PM »
Canon is choosing to announce the same day as Red Scarlet.

Canon did not choose the date based upon when Scarlet will be announced.  In fact, the opposite is the case:
"Not to be outdone, shortly after Canon coyly asked the press to “save the date,” Jim Jannard, the inimitable founder of Red, announced that “Everything you ever wanted to hear from RED regarding Scarlet will be announced Nov. 3 at 6 p.m.”
http://www.btlnews.com/crafts/camera/canon-promises-a-historic-global-announcement-nov-3/


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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2011, 07:59:24 PM »
Here's why I think some type of hybrid video / DSLR might be introduced on Nov 3rd. It makes ZERO sense to introduce a modern video camera with a mirror. It will get laughed out of the room.

The current 5D EOS mount can easily adopt PL mount lenses. The only problem is the mirror. There are modified 7Ds and 5Ds out there that have had the mirror taken out to allow PL mount lenses.

With that said, any new Canon camcorder style video camera will be mirrorless and will probably have some type of EOS adaptor since the flange length on mirrorless cameras are really short..

So logic says, if they are introducing a camera that only takes EOS lenses and not PL lenses, it implies that it has a MIRROR. And that means it will be a DSLR or some type of hybrid. There is ZERO chance they are going to put a mirror in a dedicated video camera. That would be so antiquated and dated.

With that said, this is a rumors site, so the whole separate EOS and PL mount info could all just be hot air. Nobody will know until that day.


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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2011, 08:06:51 PM »
Is there going to be an online spot for us to watch the announcement?

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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2011, 08:44:19 PM »
Here's why I think some type of hybrid video / DSLR might be introduced on Nov 3rd. It makes ZERO sense to introduce a modern video camera with a mirror. It will get laughed out of the room.

The current 5D EOS mount can easily adopt PL mount lenses. The only problem is the mirror. There are modified 7Ds and 5Ds out there that have had the mirror taken out to allow PL mount lenses.

With that said, any new Canon camcorder style video camera will be mirrorless and will probably have some type of EOS adaptor since the flange length on mirrorless cameras are really short..

So logic says, if they are introducing a camera that only takes EOS lenses and not PL lenses, it implies that it has a MIRROR. And that means it will be a DSLR or some type of hybrid. There is ZERO chance they are going to put a mirror in a dedicated video camera. That would be so antiquated and dated.

With that said, this is a rumors site, so the whole separate EOS and PL mount info could all just be hot air. Nobody will know until that day.

People have been using EOS and EF interchangeably in the forums.  The initial report states that it is an EF mount.  That says nothing about a mirror, just the connector to get the lens on the body.

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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2011, 11:23:36 PM »

With that said, any new Canon camcorder style video camera will be mirrorless and will probably have some type of EOS adaptor since the flange length on mirrorless cameras are really short..


There is a Hugh difference between a HD Video Camera, as used by the Television Networks, and a Digital Cinema Camera used by Hollywood Studios. So I don't think that Canon sent invitation to the Hollywood Studios, to announce a video camera.   :)

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