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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2014, 11:37:29 AM »
As I understand 4k,  the most interesting feature for 4k would be the ability to zoom into the 4k recording when editing for a 1080p final.  For example, let’s say I was shooting a wedding on my own.  I could put up a 4k camera in the rear with a wide field of view and a wide depth of field and let it run on its own for the duration of the wedding.  I could then shoot close up videos on my 5Diii at various angles with a narrow depth of field of the bride, groom etc.  Then when it came time to edit,  I could zoom into the 4k as needed to get close-ups since I am only outputting to 1080p.  Of course, since I am not a pro, all of this would depend on getting a reasonably priced 4k camera and the ability to record long durations of video on some reasonably priced medium.   It is that reasonably priced thing that is probably the rub for me.
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2014, 11:37:29 AM »

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2014, 12:15:02 PM »
The A7s is great, even without internal 4K.
The footage they have released looks awesome.
Like, this was recoreded internally: http://www.fstopacademy.com/blog/sony-alpha-7s-first-hands-on-shooting-review/

It's basically like a C100, with better DR and with a much better EVF, but without XLR or internal NDs, at less than half the price.

For video, judging by those first clips, it is clearly better than any of the following: 700D, 70D, 7D, 6D, 5D3, 1DX, 1DC, C100, and also C300 if you spend $400 on an external recorder. Make that $2K for a Shogun recorder, and it's heads and shoulders above anything Canon has, except for the C500.

Go here to see what video shooters think about it:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?321965-Rumor-Sony-A7s-will-have-4K-video/page13
I'd say it's at least 80% favorable comments.
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2014, 03:27:01 PM »
The A7s is great, even without internal 4K.
The footage they have released looks awesome.
Like, this was recoreded internally: http://www.fstopacademy.com/blog/sony-alpha-7s-first-hands-on-shooting-review/

It's basically like a C100, with better DR and with a much better EVF, but without XLR or internal NDs, at less than half the price.

For video, judging by those first clips, it is clearly better than any of the following: 700D, 70D, 7D, 6D, 5D3, 1DX, 1DC, C100, and also C300 if you spend $400 on an external recorder. Make that $2K for a Shogun recorder, and it's heads and shoulders above anything Canon has, except for the C500.

Go here to see what video shooters think about it:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?321965-Rumor-Sony-A7s-will-have-4K-video/page13
I'd say it's at least 80% favorable comments.


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canon has to step up…for video..this nab has some great cameras

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2014, 04:50:25 PM »
See how most people seem to be jumping around this question.
Anyway, let me be the first, I just got my 60 inch FHD TV a few years ago (2-3 years ago to be precise)... so no upgrades for another decade at least. At which point, I hope the first 8K TVs will be showing up.

Ok, so you spent a huge chunk of change on a TV, it has likely already dropped in value a lot so you don't want to be in a hurry to spend a lot more ...

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Come on now, don't be a spoil sport, how many of you guys own a 4K TV? How many are going to be buy one in the next year or two?

I'm not buying a new TV until I can get HEVC/H265 support built in. Whether that TV also does 4K will depend on price (I'd be looking for something about the same price as the 5D Mark III.) The main reason I'm thinking about this is that the black levels on my current TV are terrible.

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Also... how many of the Pro-4K peeps are going to actually buy the Sony a7s?
Or are they going to keep badgering Canon to make a camera similar to the Gh4 and/or a7s?

I expect that folks will start considering using the a7s and GH4 as the B-camera or the camera to use in awkward (physical) situations to augment their already existing 4K projects. The limitation around serious use of the a7s for video is the exact same one faced by the 5D Mark II when people started using it: quality cinema lenses.

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At this point, even if Canon released something tomorrow with 4K, I don't think the same people that are badgering right now, will buy into it... they will find some fault in it and complain some more....
In fact, I don't think they can afford a new camera right now..... they just want something to complain about.

If Canon released the 7D Mark II tomorrow with 4K video, I'd jump for joy but the problem is we all know they won't.
In the last year, 4K televisions have gone from unheard of to having their own section in the local Best Buy. We can argue about this all we want, but they have become consumer devices. 2K televisions debuted at over $10,000 and now there is a decent selection of them below $1000... 4K televisions have begun the same price dropping trajectory.

The number of devices that shoot 4K is steadily rising... at the moment, most of them that shoot quality 4K rely on an external recording device.... Storage speed appears to be the final hurdle.

and like Dilbert, if the 7D came out tomorrow with 4K I would jump for joy.... but on the other hand, if it came out tomorrow without 4K I would still jump for joy and almost as loudly... I don't expect it for at least another few months and I hope the wait is worth it.
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2014, 05:20:16 PM »
How prevalent is the ability (hardware and software) to edit 4K video?
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2014, 06:16:43 PM »
How prevalent is the ability (hardware and software) to edit 4K video?
Within the life-cycle of the next gen, eg. 1Dx2, 55D4 and such? My cellphone/tablet would probably handle that in terms of processing power. The same for any application that unloads parts of the work into a GPU. Just look what that already did for 3D-rendering and physics simulations!
Adding in the price/capacity development of SSDs makes even the proxies a moot point and ignoring the signs on the horizon would be risque.

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2014, 06:16:43 PM »

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2014, 09:46:19 AM »
How prevalent is the ability (hardware and software) to edit 4K video?

Nearly any modern computer with a decent graphics card can do it, and using free software too (Resolve).
In any case, the relevant question is: who should care about 4K? And my answer is: nearly nobody. Your eyes can't see the difference, at least not at a realistic eye-to-screen distance.

It looks like the A7s will be my next camera, and I'm not getting the external recorder needed for 4K. I'm getting it for the big sensor, the clean image, the DR, and the codec.
I think of it as a really tiny camera that can give me a slightly better image than a C100, with a bigger sensor, better EVF and higher fps, for less than half the price.

(counting on price and DR to be as expected; those could still go wrong)

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2014, 10:19:57 AM »
How prevalent is the ability (hardware and software) to edit 4K video?

GoPro just released a FREE program that will do it....
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2014, 01:38:54 PM »
And this is what's usually called a dealbreaker
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2014, 12:38:23 AM »
Well, this is the camera to beat in terms of DSLR video.
And, I'm only saying this because they teamed up with Atmos... and Atmos created the Shogun 4K recorder with a 7" screen.

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2014, 01:19:09 AM »
Well, this is the camera to beat in terms of DSLR video.

Well, the new Blackmagic also comes with a global shutter & takes the whole host of Canons lenses w/o adapter.
Not to mention the more suitable form factor.

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2014, 01:19:09 AM »

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2014, 01:47:01 AM »
Well, this is the camera to beat in terms of DSLR video.

Well, the new Blackmagic also comes with a global shutter & takes the whole host of Canons lenses w/o adapter.
Not to mention the more suitable form factor.

I don't know... thats definitely built for TV shows, looks like something thats always going to be on a tripod or dolly... not for handheld, steadycam stuff. I can't even imagine it on a crane....
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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2014, 03:28:48 AM »
not for handheld, steadycam stuff. I can't even imagine it on a crane....

Its highly modular - with that large cine-zoom and all the potentially useful external stuff it gets huge. But so would a A7.
The camera itself plus a photo-prime, w/o external monitoring&remote control(or that on a long tether) and you're back in the man portable ballpark. How global shutter for movement vs. higher payload capacity turns out for drone usage might be interesting, at least for 1080, in 2160 its much closer again.

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Re: 12MP FF, 4k Video, What us video people have always wanted (it seems)
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2014, 03:28:48 AM »