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Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« on: April 12, 2014, 04:28:45 AM »
Here is a question for everyone. I am trying to figure out if I should buy a Gimbal Head or whether I should just buy the Acratech GP Ball-head with the Gimbal head feature. The only telephoto lens I plan on using once I save up the money is the Tamron 150-600. I know that Gimbal heads are definitely easier than ball-heads when you have a big telephoto lens like a Canon 500mm on it and can handle the weight, but the Tamron only weighs 4.3 pounds.

Let me know what you think.

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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 05:56:28 AM »
The gimbal head has its clear advantages on the longer focal lengths, both for weight and stability. But occasionally, when I canĀ“t bring both gimbal and ball head, I use my RRS BH-50 ball head with the 600mm f4L IS II. Not ideal, but it works quite well.
As long as you make sure you keep it tightly secured, you should be able to live happily with the Arcatech head. I decided on  the RRS BH-50 though.
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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2014, 07:30:45 AM »
For that weight and limited use I'll have the Wimberley Sidekick plus the M-8 Perpendicular Plate (also from Wimberley) on a good ballhead. I actually have that set up with Markins ballhead for my EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L, only 1.05kg but I have trouble holding for extended period; The sidekick will hold the 1.95kg Tamron with ease.
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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2014, 10:52:16 AM »
if you have the money go the Gimbal Head you will smile Avery time you use it !

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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2014, 11:57:18 AM »
Gimbal heads excel when you are tracking moving objects, or when a big, long lens / camera combination is used.
 
You can get a 5 or 6 inch lens plate to balance a smaller super tele lens like the Tamron on a ball head, and a monopod can be handy to carry around.
 
The weight of the lens, and length are what keeps me from seriously considering one.  I did have a Tamron 200-500, and it was not very sharp, in part, due to its difficulty in balancing.

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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2014, 03:33:31 AM »
I don't think this lens needs this, i've been shooting it handheld all day just fine
even with shutter speeds down to 1/200 at 600mm its not a problem
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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2014, 02:15:03 PM »
some just don't get it some are just lazy a bad len from a tripod will out perform a good len free hand 

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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 10:57:43 AM »
Here is a question for everyone. I am trying to figure out if I should buy a Gimbal Head or whether I should just buy the Acratech GP Ball-head with the Gimbal head feature. The only telephoto lens I plan on using once I save up the money is the Tamron 150-600. I know that Gimbal heads are definitely easier than ball-heads when you have a big telephoto lens like a Canon 500mm on it and can handle the weight, but the Tamron only weighs 4.3 pounds.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks

I am late to this. I am not familiar with Acratech GP Ballhead, but I do have both the Tammy and the Wimberley WH-200 on a low-end Manfrotto tripod. I am still learning to make best use of the combination. In practice I often handhold the Tamron+6D or else use a monopod (a very good Sirui). I think one thing to consider is whether you can work with a pure, gimbal-only setup for non-telephoto shots, say, landscape. If not, you should go for a sidekick-type setup.
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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 11:47:37 AM »
I don't think this lens needs this, i've been shooting it handheld all day just fine
even with shutter speeds down to 1/200 at 600mm its not a problem
I'm with you on this one, I think it's an overkill for this lens, especially with IS/VR.  I personally don't think there's much use for a gimbal unless you're using a 400 f/2.8 or larger lens. 

shamlyn, I'd look into the Wimberly Sidekick if you have an Arca-Swiss compatible head and feel that you need a gimbal.  It's not the same as a full gimbal, but it's less expensive and will be plenty sturdy for your camera/lens.
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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 12:31:27 PM »
some just don't get it some are just lazy a bad len from a tripod will out perform a good len free hand

On some occasions a tripod might be necessary and if the light is bad enough and the shutter speeds too slow then use one - as long as the subject keeps still. But to make your statement as a generalisation and accuse others of being lazy is complete and utter drivel. The beauty of the Tamron is that it is a light lens with 3-4 stops of IS and is a joy to use with speeds above a few hundredths of a second without lugging a tripod around. If you phot small birds then you need shutter speeds faster than 1/500 s to freeze their movements, which gives an effective shutter speed as far as camera shake is concerned of faster than 1/4000 s.
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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 01:36:34 PM »
I've had the cheap knock-off gimbal you see on ebay for around ~95 bucks for 3 yrs now.  Never had an issue using it with my 400 5.6 L .  I just got the Bigron 150-600 and I would rather use it with the gimbal and turn off the IS.  Seeing sharper results that way.   (now let me press "Post" and duck away)   ;)

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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 02:39:20 PM »
IMO, you need support for both stability and easy of use.  I've not held that Tamron, but looking at photos and the weight of the lens, a good ballhead will easily provide enough stability.  As far as ease of use (panning, movement, relieving weight), a gimbal will really help, but for the size of that Tamron, I think it's overkill. 

I purchased the Wimberley II for my 200-400 which is a bigger lens than the Tamron.  Even with the 200-400, I could have gotten away with a ballhead.  The main advantage with the gimbal for me, was easy of movement and peace of mind (you don't have to worry about locking the ballhead really tight to prevent flop). 

This is less of an issue and some will laugh at me for saying this, but that Tamron will look a little odd sitting on a big gimbal. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2014, 03:25:50 PM »
IMO, you need support for both stability and easy of use.  I've not held that Tamron, but looking at photos and the weight of the lens, a good ballhead will easily provide enough stability.  As far as ease of use (panning, movement, relieving weight), a gimbal will really help, but for the size of that Tamron, I think it's overkill. 

I purchased the Wimberley II for my 200-400 which is a bigger lens than the Tamron.  Even with the 200-400, I could have gotten away with a ballhead.  The main advantage with the gimbal for me, was easy of movement and peace of mind (you don't have to worry about locking the ballhead really tight to prevent flop). 

This is less of an issue and some will laugh at me for saying this, but that Tamron will look a little odd sitting on a big gimbal.

It's not just the weight of the lens...That Bigron extends out quite a bit and factor in that big hood.  Center of gravity shifts depending on where you have it extended.   Hence gimbal over ballhead in this case.   PLUNK !

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2014, 04:18:16 PM »
Here is a question for everyone. I am trying to figure out if I should buy a Gimbal Head or whether I should just buy the Acratech GP Ball-head with the Gimbal head feature. The only telephoto lens I plan on using once I save up the money is the Tamron 150-600. I know that Gimbal heads are definitely easier than ball-heads when you have a big telephoto lens like a Canon 500mm on it and can handle the weight, but the Tamron only weighs 4.3 pounds.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks

I have an Acratech GP and it will work fine for that lens. Keep in mind that the weight of the lens will be offset from the center of your ballhead, so a stout tripod is required. A more cost effective solution to the Wimberly Sidekick mentioned above is to pick up a Jobu BWG-M1 Micro Gimbal Ballhead Adapter. I have one and it is very well made and has a small enough profile that you can carry it in your back pocket. It easily attaches to any Arca ballhead. A full gimbal would be way overkill for your situation.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/754602-REG/Jobu_Design_BWG_M1_BWG_Micro_Gimbal_Ballhead_Adapter.html

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Re: Gimbal head or not for Tamron 150-600
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2014, 06:27:06 PM »
IMO, you need support for both stability and easy of use.  I've not held that Tamron, but looking at photos and the weight of the lens, a good ballhead will easily provide enough stability.  As far as ease of use (panning, movement, relieving weight), a gimbal will really help, but for the size of that Tamron, I think it's overkill. 

I purchased the Wimberley II for my 200-400 which is a bigger lens than the Tamron.  Even with the 200-400, I could have gotten away with a ballhead.  The main advantage with the gimbal for me, was easy of movement and peace of mind (you don't have to worry about locking the ballhead really tight to prevent flop). 

This is less of an issue and some will laugh at me for saying this, but that Tamron will look a little odd sitting on a big gimbal.

It's not just the weight of the lens...That Bigron extends out quite a bit and factor in that big hood.  Center of gravity shifts depending on where you have it extended.   Hence gimbal over ballhead in this case.   PLUNK !

Actually, a changing center of gravity works AGAINST a gimbal.  When you set up your gimbal initially, you set it for forward/backward weight distribution and (on the Wimberley), you also set it for up and down weight distribution. If the lens shifts forward and back, your Wimberley won't work the way it's intended to. 

Even when I have the shoulder strap on/off, I need to readjust for the difference in weight distribution. 

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