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Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« on: September 25, 2010, 03:26:17 AM »

I have a bit more information

It seems that both Canon and Nikon are aiming for very high megapixel flagship cameras near the end of 2011, somewhere in the 35-45 mpx range.


This exceeds original reports of a 32mp sensor inside the 1Ds Mark IV.


Before either of these cameras launch, I suspect both Canon & Nikon will release big megapixel cameras to come above the D700 & 5D Mark II. Think in the 28-32mp range. This would match up with some stuff I’ve been told in the past.


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Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« on: September 25, 2010, 03:26:17 AM »

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Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 04:29:37 AM »
A 28-32mpx successor to the 5D sounds as it could really happen but not for the D700 and if nikon would release such camera it probably be more of something like a D3x "light".

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 05:51:55 AM »
Sad, so we are going to see DSLRs go the pixel race way...

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 06:35:34 AM »
There is a market for 40, 50, 60mpx camera's given that PhaseOne/Mamiya, Hasselblad, Pentax and newcomer Leica are active in DMF (Digital Medium Format). Pentax and Hasselblad seem to have picked up the gauntlet and are trying to win over some of the high-end DSLR customers.

So no surprise here that canon/nikon does not want to let these customers go without a good fight.


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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 08:03:41 AM »
the difference is the Hasselblad and pentax have larger sensors. If they want to compete with them, they should surely make the sensor as big, and bring the price down, in some way.

Who wants loads more pixels with the extra noise, and hard drive space problem with no upside.

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Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 08:14:05 AM »
I would love a 3D/5DmkIII with 32 MPixels. (no, they DON'T add noise)
Bring them pixels :-)

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Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 08:51:14 AM »
I believe there will be another FF body. But I do not think it will be called the 3D unless it actually is....3D. The term is too confusing otherwise.

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 08:51:14 AM »

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Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 09:24:45 AM »
I'm pretty sure with the improvements canon has demonstrated with getting APS-C sensors up to 18 MP with reasonable noise control, that they can get the 5D Mark III sensor up to ~30 MP with reasonable noise control.  in terms of sensor-pixel size, I don't think it's actually such a make-or-break difference that they can't account for with new technology.

in terms of a 45 MP flagship ... that I'm really curious about.  what has canon developed that's going to allow this camera to deliver the highest quality IQ that's going to be demanded of it?

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2010, 09:51:45 AM »
Before either of these cameras launch, I suspect both Canon & Nikon will release big megapixel cameras to come above the D700 & 5D Mark II. Think in the 28-32mp range.

Great!  Hopefully, that means a 5DIII (or whatever they call it) will come early in the year, paving the way for the new flagship later in 2011.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 09:59:58 AM »
Caveat, it might not be as simple as stated below, but for the sake of the argument:

if you take current 7D sensor and you add rows and colums of same pixelsize to grow it to 24x36mm you will get around a 8350x5550 or about 44mpx.

And if you increase pixelsize with 20% that would yield a 30mpx sensor with 44% more area per pixel.

So you could have a 5Dmk3 with more pixels and probably better noise then 7D.

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 10:05:14 AM »
So you could have a 5Dmk3 with more pixels and probably better noise then 7D.

I'd say definitely better noise performance.  Noise is inversely proportional to total light falling on the sensor, and total light falling on the sensor is directly proportional to sensor size.  So, a bigger sensor means less noise.
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Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 12:03:04 PM »
5DIII ... pixels shmixels, anywhere between 21 - 35 MP is fine. Too many pixels means bigger files, which are  a little harder to deal with. I only hope for a few things:

Better AF
Reduced banding at high ISO
Built-in RF wireless flash control
Improved movie AF and reduced rolling shutter
Maintain the price point and low weight.

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 12:17:28 PM »
The more MP on the sensor, the 'sharper' the lenses have to be. There is no Moore's law for lenses, so the price of lenses is going to go up & stay up.

As the variety of EF-S lenses is not very impressive, I think this would mean either Canon will invest in it's EF-S line of lenses, or Canon sales will run into a bricks wall when consumers select a manufacturor making lower resolution sensors with appropriately cheaper lenses, or I'm missing something.

The new EF 8-15mm f/4 lens, which is supposedly the fisheye lens for APS-C sensors, will cost about twice as much the older FF fisheye, I tend to think the first option is wrong.

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 12:50:55 PM »
The more MP on the sensor, the 'sharper' the lenses have to be.

No, almost any lens will show more detail with a higher resolution sensor, particulary in the center of the image. A better lesn wil obviously give you even better results.

As the variety of EF-S lenses is not very impressive, I think this would mean either Canon will invest in it's EF-S line of lenses, or Canon sales will run into a bricks wall when consumers select a manufacturor making lower resolution sensors with appropriately cheaper lenses, or I'm missing something.

Most EF-S lenses ar OK optically, some are cheap with a matching construction while other are more expensive with better construction. I can't really see that Canon's EF-S lenses are particulary worse (or better) than the competition. All entry level lenses have som weak areas. And most competitors seem to move to 14MP and 16MP which is fairly close to Canon's 18MP.

The new EF 8-15mm f/4 lens, which is supposedly the fisheye lens for APS-C sensors, will cost about twice as much the older FF fisheye, I tend to think the first option is wrong.
You've just been complaining about poor quality EF-S lenses, then go on to complain about expensive ones. Quality costs, maybe Canon has decided to produce a good one? Anyway, it's a zoom lens, most fisheyes are not. It's not clear which lens you compare it with.

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Re: Canon & Nikon Flagships in 2011
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 01:10:48 PM »
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml

About lenses and sensors.

What I understand from this is that in daily practice shooting at f8, f11, a sensor like the one as in the 5Dm2 starts to out resolve lenses.

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