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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 06:32:05 PM »
this would be great for APS C shooters if they just updated to USM and coatings for those that don't have digital types.
I've wanted the 28mm f/1.8 for a long time but don't like the CA. have the 35/2 and 50/1.8 but don't like the AF noise.
but start at the wide end please, and the 85 may not need any attention right now.

I just had to create an account and chime in on this one because I think this would be the biggest bang for the buck right now and I'm on a budget. I'd buy all that I could afford, maybe a grands worth and not regret it. 24 and 35 first.

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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 06:32:05 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2011, 06:35:15 PM »
Any update to the primes in these focal lengths would be much appreciated, even among full frame users, since light, portable primes are a preferred way of shooting for many, such as me.

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2011, 07:09:44 PM »
I was hoping for a new 50mm >1.4<... Why the hack a new 1.8 again?  :(

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 08:14:22 PM »
I was hoping for a new 50mm >1.4<... Why the hack a new 1.8 again?  :(

Ditto. I've got the 50/1.8ii on my 7D and love it. Sharp as hell after f/4, slightly worse centres and better edges than the 50/1.4 for the same aperture. The pentagonal aperture is a bit of a downer, but i'm either shooting high DOF at f/5.6, or f/1.8-2.5 where the pentagons don't show that much. The coma, loca, and wide-open softness of the f/1.4 are what put me off it for the increased price from the 1.8ii. If they come out with a better f/1.4 i'll be all over it.

I recently pulled the trigger on the Samyang 35/1.4, and it's the sharpest lens I own. Still, it's a bit of a brick, if canon come up with an EFs 28-35 f/1.4-1.8 then i'll get one for a walkaround/street lens and keep the samyang for critical landscapes.

The 85/1.8 doesn't need updating as badly, it's my next lens to buy (I have to decide between that and 100/2 before my mum gets to Hong Kong in january), i've picked those two over the samyang and sigma 85/1.4. But if they can come up with an 85/1.8ii i'll happily buy it on release (they can't release a mk2 worse than the current one, so if the pricing is the same the newer version would be the go), if it's an 85/1.4 then that's 3 lenses i'll have to choose between...
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 08:23:33 PM »
The current 50 1.8 still has damn good IQ.  It's just such a cruel joke to give the lens with the weakest AF the worst manual focus ring ever made.  If magic lantern has taught us anything, it's that there is great potential in controlling the AF motor through the camera... Unfortunately Canon's software end is being gimped by an interdepartmental memo stating something similar to the following "You had your fun with the 5d2, now stop making good things...our video department has only had 3 years with our head in the dirt to catch up."  We'll find out tomorrow if they have.
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 08:24:43 PM »
A lot of users would benefit from a improved 35mm f/2.  The 85mm f/1.8 has a lot of LoCa which can make it difficult to use for subjects with bright lighting, so I have to be careful when using it, otherwise, its great.

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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2011, 09:44:24 PM »
I'm ready for my next lens purchase but I am dragging my feet at the moment to see what Canon is going to release prime lens wise.  I want a fast prime around 35 to 50mm for portrait work using my APS-C camera. 

I've had my eye on the 50 f/1.4 for a while but It seems like it should be due for an update--more so than the f/1.8 II.  I'm hoping for a ring USM upgrade to f/1.4.

On the other hand 35mm is closer to a "normal" lens (56mm FF) so I'm considering 35.  I really want to go faster than f/2 since I have a APS-C camera and as you can see from signature, my fastest lens is a f/2.8.

For me I'll take a 50 f/1.4II  please. . .  or do I want to go with the 35 f/1.4? :-\

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 10:32:20 PM »
What's going on here??? Is canon "optimizing" their prime lenses for use with EF mount camcorders?

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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2011, 10:35:56 PM »
When my 70-200 2.8 isn't fast enough, the 85 1.8 is my go to lens in darkly lit gymnasiums.  It's the only reason I haven't sold it, but it does suffer from some pretty brutal CA wide open.  A canon 85 1.4 would be a dream come true, and make for a very versatile complement to my zoom I know sigma has an 85 1.4 and I've had good luck with their glass, but I admit that I prefer Canon glass.

I rarely shoot at 50mm since I find the 30mm range more versatile but I'd like to see a Canon 35 mm just a little faster than 2.0
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2011, 10:43:46 PM »
I am just excited about new lenses.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2011, 11:16:37 PM »
KyleSTL... thanks for your very useful post with the list of non L primes and releases!  Much appreciated!

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You're welcome.  Also, the amazing thing about that list is only two have been discontinued:

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2011, 12:04:44 AM »
Ah, excellent! These lenses are due for an update I think. Except the 85mm 1.8 maybe. I have heard it is excellent.
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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2011, 12:20:25 AM »
What's going on here??? Is canon "optimizing" their prime lenses for use with EF mount camcorders?
Good catch - there's the rumor stating that there would be multiple (I read three) PL or EF lens announced alongside this new video camera.  If they are updating these lenses to match a video system, though, I don't expect they would end up being recognizable as the current three lenses mentioned.  Price would balloon pretty markedly just to give them a constant angle of view and improve the manual focus ring (it also seems it would be difficult to market these old primes as good for video if they keep their current long manual focus path).

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« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2011, 12:48:26 AM »
Canon badly need a decent 'normal' prime for APS-C users because the current offering all have significant weaknesses, as does the main third party alternative.  Beyond that, there is a need for some affordable wide angle primes.  To be honest, if it saves money they might as well make them EF-S, as anyone that can afford a full frame camera should really be able to afford 'L' glass (and if not, they've probably got their buying priorities wrong!).  I don't buy the argument that some people make that it's only full frame users who care about prime lenses.  A decent full frame setup will cost you many thousands of your local currency; it's a little insulting to suggest that only the rich can afford to be 'serious photographers'.

 I disagree with your statement regarding FF users and the cost of an FF setup. FF users are not much more likely to be rich than your average prosumer APS user these days: here in Canada, a 5D2 is $1999 and a 7D is $1449, which is not a huge difference. Also, used 5Dc's and 1Ds(II)'s can easily be had for less than $1500.

 Secondly, a 5D2 with a 35/2 provides better performance at a cheaper price than a 7D with 24L (my set up); similarly, said 5D with 50/1.4 is much cheaper and better than said 7D with 35L. You can pretty much go on forever with similar comparisons. A 5D2 with 24/2.8 isn't even comparable to APS, as an EF-S 15/1.8 doesn't exist and if it did, the price would be frightening.

 If you look at it this way, you can see that your statement about a "decent" FF kit being expensive is quite wrong. One (myself included) might even say the opposite is true. I suppose that makes me look dumb, as I have a 7D/24L, but in my defense, they were purchased years apart, I need the 7D's features and my mkI 24L was way less than the new one is.

 If you don't need high PD or the AF/FPS of a 7D, how exactly are your priorities wrong in buying a 5D2 with cheap glass? You get better performance for less $$$ and often end up with a lighter, smaller kit as well. There's no rule stating that FF users are stuck buying L glass and honestly, they need it less than us APS guys.

 This is why I like the idea of Canon updating these non-L primes: they would benefit both APS and FF shooters. These lenses are mostly fine optically, all they need is USM, more aperture blades and maybe a tweak here and there. They should definitely be kept EF though, even if there is a small cost savings to make the wider ones APS, there's more than enough interest in them from FF users. Personally, I'm looking to add an FF body as soon as I can afford it and would definitely buy a 35/2.

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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2011, 01:55:09 AM »
I hope those lenses aren't going to be refreshed the same way the EF-S 18-55mm was.

I have a 35mm f/2, and if it was upgraded with USM and improved boken (lines in the background look bad), it will be an attractive upgrade for me.

Am not sure where the 85mm f/1.8, which is a favourite of mine, can be improved. Maybe IS, though it's absence in this lens didn't bother me.
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