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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2011, 02:59:55 AM »
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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2011, 04:06:03 AM »
I wouldnt be supprized if the 35mm f/2 actually goes the same way as the 50mm 1.8, cheaper build and a cheaper price.

It does afterall make for a good normal lens on a crop and if Canon can knock say a third off the price then that offers them an easy way to compete with Nikon's 35mm 1.8 without having to go though a costly total redesign.

Another option could I spose be that these lenses are the rumoured ones with an amature dial on them designed for the video market.
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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2011, 06:23:55 AM »
the 85 1.8 is an amazing lens, dont see it needing replacing. without lenshood i have no CA or other issues with it, lenshood always helps to that (its massive).

the 50 1.8 dont see it being replaced as its just too cheap for canon to profit from. they should (imho) refresh the 1.4 with proper USM. IQ could be improved on it aswell im sure. Ive read reviews that commented the 1.8 version being sharper overall than the 1.4 - something which at 3x the cost is just not right.

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2011, 07:46:17 AM »
Typical! I just got the 35 f2 for 5dc two weeks ago. But I love it and my 24-70L is almost anathema now its so big.

I haven't noticed the focusing being slower than my 24-70 which really surprised me, its much faster than the other non-usm lenses I've used.

Even so I don't think any dslr lens should be without usm these days. Its not exactly new technology. Just don't let it get any bigger. Also fixing the flare in direct sunlight would be good. To be honest I'd pay for an L version that was f2 and compact; I love this focal length.

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2011, 07:48:00 AM »
Are there (valid) complaints about the 85 f/1.8? Mine is one of my best lenses I own. I can't imagine improvements and it staying in the same price range/class.

x2 -- nothing wrong with the 85mm. 

What would the point of improving the 50mm f1.8 be?  Don't get me wrong, there's room for improvement, but improving build quality/speed would make it basically exactly the same thing as the 50mm f/1.4 except for gaining the (think???) 2/3 of a stop?  There would be no motivation to buy the f/1.4.  "I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there."

Maybe we're back to bored tipsters making crap up again . . . we'll know soon enough if more 'official 5DmkIII specs come in  ;)
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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2011, 12:41:09 PM »
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM
- Needs IS and new optics.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/3.5-5.6L IS II USM
- Needs new optics and IS update.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L II USM
- Needs new optics.

Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L II (or IS) USM
- Needs new optics and possibly IS.

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 II (or IS) USM
- Needs new optics and possibly IS.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L II USM
- Needs the new optics from the updated IS version.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L II USM
- Needs the new optics from the IS version.

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L IS USM
- Needs IS and new optics.
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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2011, 01:13:20 PM »
Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM
- Needs IS and new optics.

Canon EF 100-400mm f/3.5-5.6L IS II USM
- Needs new optics and IS update.

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L II USM
- Needs new optics.

Canon EF 50mm f/1.2L II (or IS) USM
- Needs new optics and possibly IS.

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 II (or IS) USM
- Needs new optics and possibly IS.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L II USM
- Needs the new optics from the updated IS version.

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L II USM
- Needs the new optics from the IS version.

Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L IS USM
- Needs IS and new optics.

you forgot, 200-400mm f4 w/ x1.4 converter
this just needs to come out

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2011, 01:13:20 PM »

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2011, 01:32:20 PM »
it is good to see that I am not the only one who wants a fast normal prime for aps-c  :)
I would prefer 28mm rather than 35mm though.

28 1.4 usm or 30 1.4 usm below 500 euros would be nice.
for me it could be ef-s, I do not mind.

currently the canon 28/1.8 (which is 16 years old) or the sigma 30/1.4 seem to be the best option.

I think there is not much to update either the 50/1.8 or the 85/1.8, rather the 50/1.4 then..
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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2011, 02:00:50 PM »
28 1.4 usm or 30 1.4 usm below 500 euros would be nice.
for me it could be ef-s, I do not mind.

If either of those happened I'd guess they'd have to be EF-S to avoid killing the sales of the L lenses.

If Canon did make them EF-S though I doubt they'd stick with those focal lenghts, they'd probabley go with something like 22mm and 31mm to get the crop equivilents of 35mm and 50mm.

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2011, 02:48:51 PM »
the 85 1.8 is an amazing lens, dont see it needing replacing. without lenshood i have no CA or other issues with it, lenshood always helps to that (its massive).

You're thinking of lens flare, the hood does nothing for the CA (chromatic aberration). CA is particularly visible at sharp, high-contrast edges near the corners of the field of view, especially with the lens wide open. The lenshood is one of the smaller, I don't understand why you call it "massive", perhaps you confuse it with another lens'.

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2011, 03:19:00 PM »
Soft wide open till about 2.2 or 2.8. Too many chromatic abberations for me at wider appertures. No IS.

Compact, affordable, and light are working for it.

Are there (valid) complaints about the 85 f/1.8? Mine is one of my best lenses I own. I can't imagine improvements and it staying in the same price range/class.

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: November 03, 2011, 03:29:32 PM »
It would seem strange for Canon to have neglected these lenses for so long only to begin to refresh them without any strong rationale. EF mounted video camera may be that catalyst.

Most important upgrades in my book for video and stills in order of want/need (I'm throwing IS in there. A guy can dream):

85 1.8 -> 85 1.4 IS
90 ts-e -> 90 ts-e II
28 1.8 -> 28 1.8 IS


In APS-C terms, that's 56mm(35), 80mm(50) and either 153mm(85) or 38mm (28)

You mean 136mm (85) and 45mm (28)

I can't remember the last time an affordable non-L prime came out?  I think it was the 60/2.8

Non-L Primes (excluding 400mm DO):

60mm f/2.8 Macro USM (2005)
100mm f/2.8 Macro USM (2000)
MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro (1999)
28mm f/1.8 USM (1995)
50mm f/1.4 USM (1993)
20mm f/2.8 USM (1992)
85mm f/1.8 USM (1992)
100mm f/2 USM (1991)
TS-E 45mm f/2.8 (1991)
TS-E 90mm f/2.8 (1991)
35mm f/2 (1990)
50mm f/1.8 II (1990)
100mm f/2.8 Macro (1990)
24mm f/2.8 (1988)
15mm f/2.8 Fisheye (1987)
28mm f/2.8 (1987)
50mm f/1.8 I (1987)
50mm f/2.5 Macro (1987)
135mm f/2.8 Soft Focus (1987)

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2011, 03:50:16 PM »

 I disagree with your statement regarding FF users and the cost of an FF setup. FF users are not much more likely to be rich than your average prosumer APS user these days: here in Canada, a 5D2 is $1999 and a 7D is $1449, which is not a huge difference. Also, used 5Dc's and 1Ds(II)'s can easily be had for less than $1500.


Your entitled to disagree, but don't forget that the 7D itself it quite an expensive camera that most photographers can't justify spending out on.  I take your point with used full frame, but I think the age of the cameras you mention is a put off.  Not only do they lack a lot of the features that even the Rebel line has these days, but I would also be concerned about spending a significant wad of cash on such a old camera; these days cameras are basically consumer electronics and as such, I would not trust their reliability long term versus a film camera (maybe that's just me).  By the way, a used 1Ds MkII still sells for more than a 7D, here in the UK at least. 


 Secondly, a 5D2 with a 35/2 provides better performance at a cheaper price than a 7D with 24L (my set up); similarly, said 5D with 50/1.4 is much cheaper and better than said 7D with 35L. You can pretty much go on forever with similar comparisons. A 5D2 with 24/2.8 isn't even comparable to APS, as an EF-S 15/1.8 doesn't exist and if it did, the price would be frightening.


Sure, but a 5D2 with a 35mm f/1.4L will perform even better; are you suggesting that you should shell out over £1500 for a camera and put a £220 lens on it (I'm sticking to my home currency here)? You're right when you state that there is no comparing the 5D2 with a 24mm lens to an APS-C camera, that's my point -Canon haven't bothered to produce a fast 24mm equivalent prime for APS-C.  You believe that a 15mm f/1.8 for APS-C would cost a fortune; I'm not sure that I'd agree, wide angles crop lenses require a lot less glass than for full frame, which is the whole point of EF-S  (but I think that a 15mm f/2 would be a better performance-price compromise). 


 If you look at it this way, you can see that your statement about a "decent" FF kit being expensive is quite wrong. One (myself included) might even say the opposite is true. I suppose that makes me look dumb, as I have a 7D/24L, but in my defense, they were purchased years apart, I need the 7D's features and my mkI 24L was way less than the new one is.


No need to defend yourself, your main camera requirements dictated that a 7D was the better choice of body for you.  The fact that you had to shell out for a 24mm f/1.4 to get a (roughly) 35mm equivalent fast prime demonstrates that there is a demand for dedicated EF-S lenses in this range.  How many people haven't bought a 24mm f/1.4L because it's too expensive for their budget, but would buy an EF-S 22mm f/1.8 (for example).  Now you are thinking about buying a 5D MkII in addition to your 7D to meet your ndesire to use fast wide angle primes (I'm guessing -am I correct?).  This would mean that you've covered all bases, but it's hardly an affordable option. 


 If you don't need high PD or the AF/FPS of a 7D, how exactly are your priorities wrong in buying a 5D2 with cheap glass? You get better performance for less $$$ and often end up with a lighter, smaller kit as well. There's no rule stating that FF users are stuck buying L glass and honestly, they need it less than us APS guys.


First, what if you do need both (like you?), buy a 7D and a 5D2? Second, how much do you think that a 5D2 be worth in ten years and how will your 24L be worth? Third, you keep insisting that it's a 5D2 or a 7D; most people shoot with Rebels and XXD cameras.   


 This is why I like the idea of Canon updating these non-L primes: they would benefit both APS and FF shooters. These lenses are mostly fine optically, all they need is USM, more aperture blades and maybe a tweak here and there. They should definitely be kept EF though, even if there is a small cost savings to make the wider ones APS, there's more than enough interest in them from FF users. Personally, I'm looking to add an FF body as soon as I can afford it and would definitely buy a 35/2.

If Canon could do this, it'd be ideal.  I just think that, especially with wide angle glass, there are quite a lot of cost savings to be made by going EF-S.  Compare the price of the Nikon AF-S 35mm f/1.8 G DX to the much poorer spec Canon EF 35mm f2.0; or the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 to the EF 16-35mm f/2.8. 

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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2011, 03:50:16 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2011, 03:59:10 PM »
They seemingly have to be related to the cine-theme.  I'm guessing those 3 primes, if that is the case, would be cine-ied out with optional manual iris and a cp.2-sized focus gear.  I don't think they're just going to be refreshed stills lenses.

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Re: New Lenses Imminent? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2011, 06:47:44 PM »
seems to be:

Canon Prime Lens CTZ-029 (24mm)
Canon Prime Lens CTZ-030 (50mm)
Canon Prime Lens CTZ-031 (85mm)
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