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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2014, 08:58:53 PM »
That being said, people complaining about a little extra weight really need to grow a pair and hit the gym a little....

My wife takes care of our kids everyday.  Our infant can't even walk yet, and he weighs more than a Canon 800mm f/5.6.  She never complains.

#1 How do your middle-aged parents feel about carrying your infant around for hours?  My guess is there are more middle-aged people buying big lenses than young folks, like you.

#2 People carrying infants don't tromp through marshes, or trudge up hills all day, as do photographers.  You also don't hold your infant at arms length and very steady for focusing.   I concede that diaper changes do sometimes result in brief, arms-length holding, but that's a two-hand operation, and no Infant Stabilization (IS) required.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2014, 08:58:53 PM »

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2014, 09:21:42 PM »
If the pricing is okay, and the weight isn't much more than the II, I'd probably try and hock my 24-70 F4L.
But it'll probably come in at like 2500, my guess given that the II seems to keep hitting sub 2000 recently. Which isn't too much of a stretch because it seems like the 24-105, 24-70F4L and 24-70 II have been coming down in price recently, until the recent forced MAP that is.

I'll bite if I can get a copy of 2k, and if I'm still employed when it happens...

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2014, 11:22:00 PM »
FWIW: I have essentially zero interest in a lens without IS, even though I use a tripod and monopod quite a bit.

My speculation is that the price will start off as excessive, like the 35mm f2 IS. Over time, that lens came down in price dramatically.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2014, 11:29:16 PM »
I just want Canon to come out with their IS version so the Tamron price comes down.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2014, 12:21:47 AM »
FWIW: I have essentially zero interest in a lens without IS, even though I use a tripod and monopod quite a bit.

Same here.

My speculation is that the price will start off as excessive, like the 35mm f2 IS. Over time, that lens came down in price dramatically.

And just like every other recent Canon lens. It appears that Canon has perfected the practice of maximum sales revenue through incremental product improvements, premium pricing at launch, and gradual price reductions.

Maybe now all those "experts" who claim that Canon would never produce a 24-70/2.8L IS because it would be "too big," "too heavy," "too expensive" or "unnecessary" will finally shut up. That they see no need for it or can't personally afford it might be closer to the truth. Too many folks evaluate product demand in the global marketplace from the narrow viewpoint of their own personal wants and needs.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2014, 01:02:21 AM »
That being said, people complaining about a little extra weight really need to grow a pair and hit the gym a little.  I work out regularly, and I've never had an issue handholding my 300mm 2.8 lens for a whole day whether it's my kids' sports or at the racetrack.  I have a 400mm 2.8 now, and I also do okay with that for several hours.  If it's a really long day, like an all day shoot, then it gets a little tiring, but nothing where I stop shooting.  To hear whining about "heavy" lenses, like this supposed lens, which would be about 2 pounds, is hilarious.  It's not an issue if you take care of your body and exercise a bit.  Do you realize how pathetic and weak you sound?  My wife takes care of our kids everyday.  Our infant can't even walk yet, and he weighs more than a Canon 800mm f/5.6.  She never complains.  I'm sure any mother would laugh at you people who complain how a new lens will be too heavy for all day use.

So true.  Modern bodies and lenses are much lighter than the older stuff.  When I carry both film and digital systems, the DSLRs seem light by comparison.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2014, 01:21:26 PM »
FWIW: I have essentially zero interest in a lens without IS, even though I use a tripod and monopod quite a bit.
That's not how I feel for shorter focal lengths but given the 24 IS, 28 IS, and 35 IS plus Nikon's 16-35 stabilized wide angle lens, you're clearly not alone.  Is your interest in IS at these focal lengths for video or some other type of shooting?  I understand the benefits on paper, but would like to know how people are taking advantage of IS when they shoot.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2014, 02:18:57 PM »
FWIW: I have essentially zero interest in a lens without IS, even though I use a tripod and monopod quite a bit.
That's not how I feel for shorter focal lengths but given the 24 IS, 28 IS, and 35 IS plus Nikon's 16-35 stabilized wide angle lens, you're clearly not alone.  Is your interest in IS at these focal lengths for video or some other type of shooting?  I understand the benefits on paper, but would like to know how people are taking advantage of IS when they shoot.

For the types of video projects I do (mostly run and gun travel stuff) it becomes essential to have IS because running around with a Steadicam mounted with a vest is just too impractical.  It's the reason I keep my 60D with 17-55 f2.8 IS around (light weight and small form factor)...while my 1DX and 5Dmk3 are clearly superior cameras in both photo and video.

For photos I'd much rather have a faster lens than one with IS.  Hand held I'm able to get a 50% hit rate at 1/8 of a second without IS.  With a 1.4 lens at ISO 12800 that's almost like taking a properly exposed photo in darkness.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2014, 03:09:07 PM »
David, thanks for the reply and I'm sure IS is unbeatable for video.   I've always been a fan of fast lenses for those reasons, too, and with the high ISO bodies, many people seem to think they aren't needed anymore, but as you point out, being able to shoot in nearly total darkness is amazing. 

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2014, 04:14:50 PM »
David, thanks for the reply and I'm sure IS is unbeatable for video.   I've always been a fan of fast lenses for those reasons, too, and with the high ISO bodies, many people seem to think they aren't needed anymore, but as you point out, being able to shoot in nearly total darkness is amazing.

An added benefit with faster primes is the shallower depth of field...my 50 1.2 creates a bokeh that no other lens in it's focal range can match (minus the discontinued 50 1.0 and Leica 50 .95).  It really helps to distinguish your work from others.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2014, 10:29:24 AM »
i'm sick and tired of reading how IS would make a lens so much heavier and biggerand compromise image quality  ... bla bla bla ... just a bunch of completely unfounded urban myths.

e.g. look at EF 70-200/4 L without IS 76x172mm, 705g and EF 70-200/4 L IS with IS 76x172mm, 760 g ... so a paltry 55 grams more .. for a lens with pretty big glass elements to be stabilized. And image quality is better on 70-200/4 with IS too. Price difference is excessive though, and purely marketing driven.

EF 24-70/2.8 L II should have been IS from the start ... especially at the price differential over the previous version.

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They shot to just about the limit on pricing with the non-IS ver.2 at a whopping $2,300.00. That is the same price as the 70-200 2.8 IS ver.2.  (Which of course DOES have IS.). They left no realistic pricing room above it at the top for an IS version. If they do release an IS version, so as to match the multiple flavors in which the 70-200's are offered, they can't price the thing any higher than that.  They will have to dramatically lower the hefty price of the non-IS to make room for it.  I assume that would pi$$ off some of the folks who paid full price. 
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2014, 03:21:01 AM »
There is another thing to remember in the whole weight discussion. The 24-70/2.8 lost about 140 grams when version two came out. So as it was said earlier that the is module on a 70-200/4 weighs 55 grams. It might still be lighter then the version one i'm still hauling around.

And yes, it will probably be 3000 us dollars. But for a do it all lens that replaces a whole set of stabilised primes its still a bargain. As long as its as sharp as the new L lenses have become lately.

My photo business is a bit too slow for me to afford it. But if business picks up, and budget allows it I might just buy it for the speculated price.
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2014, 04:24:37 AM »
I am curious, would  a 24-70 f/2.8 IS beat the IQ of the non-IS version? Would they be able to do it? Why paying a higher price just to have IS? There is already the tamron with IS and otherwise if you do not need IS there is the non-IS. So how succesful will the IS version be? It has to come with better IQ than the non-IS version and for a reasonable price - I mean top 2000 euro (which is 1000 euro more than the Tamron) And yes, that must drop the price of the non-IS to not more than 1500 euro
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2014, 02:57:09 PM »
I would get one in particular for video. It would replace my 24-105...
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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2014, 07:36:49 AM »
One thing to consider I spose is that the high res body is still rumoured to be on the horizon.

If we do ever see a 50ish MP FF camera then that's likely going to mean theres a market for some very high performance lenses, even the current 24-70mm might I'd guess fall short of the needs of some.

So perhaps the current 24-70mm 2.8 looking to target users who want the lower weight and perhaps a 24-70mm f/2.8 IS looking to target those who want performance for studio/landscape shooting even if it means a larger lens. If your shooting primes for stopped down sharpness rather than ultra large apertures then even a 24-70mm that weighs well over 1kg saves you a significant amount of weight.

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Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
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