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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »

If Canon added RAW video capture to a 1D Mark IV, you'd have your Scarlet X right now

No, not by a long shot, the 1DIV (or 5DII) are throwing away huge amounts of data to generate their video. Their resolution will never be up to cameras that use full sensor scans to generate video. Canon's cinema DSLR will finally do it "right". I think the reason they're going with motion-jpeg is because h.264 doesn't support 4K if I read the specs right. Raw would be great if the thing had a Thunderbolt port but Canon won't be doing that because um, ummm, mmmm, hmmm, errrrrrr......

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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »

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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2011, 04:54:13 PM »
How much extra would you pay to have a Thunderbolt port on your camera?

Given that it's an Apple product, you'd have to be paying Apple licensing fees. I'd rather save the cash and buy another lens or two with that money.

Is eSATA not fast enough? SAS-600? Ultra-640 SCSI? external PCIexpress? ieee 1394-3200? Fibre-channel?

Or maybe just wait until Camrea Link gets widely adopted...
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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2011, 06:13:47 PM »
How much extra would you pay to have a Thunderbolt port on your camera?

Given that it's an Apple product, you'd have to be paying Apple licensing fees.

Thunderbolt ist Intel, not Apple.

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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2011, 06:21:50 PM »
To me, the most apparent difference between these Canon cameras and the RED cameras is in the ergonomics - and size.  To go with uncompressed RAW video they'd probably have to go to hard drives, too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I had a feeling to do uncompressed RAW video it would be over SDI, and wouldn't be using memory cards or hard drives linked to a camera at all? Something along the lines of a capture device?
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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2011, 06:30:35 PM »
Thunderbolt ist Intel, not Apple.

Well when I first heard about it, it was apple, and only Macs actually use it thus far. But yeah, now it's registered with intel, so there's hope that it won't be too much of a licensing slog.

Still, Thunderbolt is only a way of combining displayport and PCIe on one cable. They can just as easily use an external PCIe connector (although granted, there's likely to be more (and therefore cheaper) thunderbolt-compatible storage-solutions).
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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2011, 04:42:26 AM »
If Canon added RAW video capture to a 1D Mark IV, you'd have your Scarlet X right now. The newly revised Scarlet X is nothing more than an APS-H sized sensor. Red no longer impresses me at all. They're just about marketing hype. The only thing Red does better than Canon is they have the good sense to realize not to use highly compressed codecs that negate the point of shooting with large sensors in the first place. If Canon ever figures that out, they will blow Red out of the water.

Don't forget the other things that RED does really well.

Such as drop frames.

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?63113-Dropped-Frames-with-Epic
http://www.stadamedia.co.uk/dannylaceyfilm/2011/11/major-technical-issues-with-footage-from-host-video-blog-update/
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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #81 on: November 09, 2011, 07:19:51 PM »
Guys we're arguing semantics here. My point was that Red is not doing anything that far superior with their hardware that Canon couldn't easily match or even best. Where Red does better over Canon is on the software side with a RAW capture workflow. All Canon would need to do to is implement a similar workflow and include some sort of connection that could move that heavy data stream directly from the sensor to a media device that could handle it like my exampled Thunderbolt SSD. The problem I have with Red is that they market their sensors with hyped up names like "Mysterium" to make them sound far bigger and better than what they actually are. It's an APS-H similar sized sensor, plain and simple. Nothing magical about it. Canon has been making them for years.
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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2011, 01:41:10 PM »
This article provides some answers to our mount-related questions (and more):
http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/misc/cinemaEOS_faq.shtml

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Can I change the mount from EF/PL to PL/EF?
No. Lens mounts are not user-interchangeable. This is to assure maximum lens mount strength and precision, something Canon engineers determined was difficult to achieve with an interchangeable mount system.

Does the EOS C300 PL have electronic data contacts for Cooke or Arri PL-mount lenses?
No, there are no electronic lens mount contacts on the EOS C300 PL. These lenses can certainly be mounted and used successfully on the EOS C300 PL, but lens metadata will not be communicated to the camera.

Can metadata have EF lens information?
Yes. Using the EOS C300 with EF mount allows for lens metadata to be passed from the lens to the camera's metadata.
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Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2011, 01:41:10 PM »