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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2014, 03:59:03 AM »
I'm still in two minds on buying this lens, my Sigma provides good reach and mated to the 70D the IQ has improved 10 fold (compared to the 550D), but I'm blinded by the whole "big white ownership" scenario, will a 100-400L (plus a 1.4X TC) be considerably, and noticably better than my 150-500 or would this Tammy provide better IQ at 600mm without a TC???  For me the prime 400mm is not really an option due to it's limitations of range.
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2014, 03:59:03 AM »

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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2014, 04:43:55 AM »
my two cents ;)...
I would sell the Canon 70-200 IS II and get the 70-200 f4 non is or the 135 f2.8 and with the money left and the 1200$ more you budgeted, I would find a Canon 300 2.8 non is. Mated with the tc 2x III you already have, you would have two very nice 300 2.8 + 600 5.6 options.

my reasons would be ;D
- the 70-200 2.8 IS II is quite big and heavy for hiking (if you have to)
- when I hike I don't need to shoot at 320mm, 350mm, 414mm etc, so I prefer to use lighter primes and zoom in and out with my legs
- if I have to choose a heavy lens/low f aperture I prefer a longer one or one with very high quality
- since you already have the 70-200, you would use the tamron basically at its longer lenghts, below 400mm you are already served well. the canon 70-200 2.8 IS II + the tamrom would only give you a normal 500-600mm slow lens
- I never used the tamron, but used the 400mm 5.6L and it's a good lens
- if for any reason you don't like much the tamron, the resell value would be lower than for canon lenses, maybe try one before buying it

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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2014, 07:40:48 AM »
I'm still in two minds on buying this lens, my Sigma provides good reach and mated to the 70D the IQ has improved 10 fold (compared to the 550D), but I'm blinded by the whole "big white ownership" scenario, will a 100-400L (plus a 1.4X TC) be considerably, and noticably better than my 150-500 or would this Tammy provide better IQ at 600mm without a TC???  For me the prime 400mm is not really an option due to it's limitations of range.
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 Both the Tammy and the 100-400 perform much better on full frame than crop.  You need sharper lenses on crop.  DxO has some very nice comparisons of the Tammy, Sigma and 100-400 showing that the Tammy is the clear winner on FF, but it is less clear on crop. The 100-400 isn't good with extenders. 
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2014, 10:11:07 AM »
Thanks for the tips.  I was wondering if 400mm would be enough reach, maybe with the 2x extender, but then I'm looking at f/11 and no AF.  I have an EOS M can give me more pixels on distant targets.  I'll look into rental options.
I owned the 400 5.6 for many years and created many great photos with it, but it is a challenging lens to use without IS.  If you don't mind using a tripod/monopod, it's great, though.  With the 1.4x extender, it's good to decent, but the 2x isn't worth it.  It's a very dark viewfinder and the photos are soft. 

If I were making the decision all over again, I think I'd go for the Tamron.  It seems like the tradeoffs in AF and aperture are more than made up for by the IQ and ability to zoom. 

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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2014, 05:43:08 PM »
Quote from: Alefoto link=topic=20668.msg391343#msg391343
- I never used the tamron, but used the 400mm 5.6L and it's a good lens
- if for any reason you don't like much the tamron, the resell value would be lower than for canon lenses, maybe try one before buying it

that´s maybe the case in a few month/years.

actually because of the shortage you can sell the lens "used" for more then it cost new.

my nephew wanted the 150-600mm but got none.. all sold out.
so he bought a used EF 100-400mm.
that lens is cheap right now because many sell (like i have) their EF 100-400 mm to get a tamron 150-600mm.

i would not buy the canon 400mm f5.6 today.
it has no IS, and IS on such a long lens helps a lot.
IQ is not really visible better @400mm.

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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2014, 08:48:59 PM »
if the key is to get the shot, only one of the choices goes to 600mm w/o a teleconverter.  I have more "winners" by far with my Tamron 150-600 than I ever had with my 100-400L, 300 f4 L + TC, etc etc

My experience as many tests have shown is that at 500mm the Tammy outperforms the 100-400 at 400. At 600mm  I never shoot under F8 and am happy with it.  The 400 5.6 L is great too, but again, it's only 400, no IS/VC, etc

My only dislike of the Tammy is the weight, I personally must use a monopod or tripod to keep it steady. But I couldnt even get a 600mm F4 out of the case if that was my other choice.

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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2014, 09:32:46 PM »
Hi,
if the key is to get the shot, only one of the choices goes to 600mm w/o a teleconverter.  I have more "winners" by far with my Tamron 150-600 than I ever had with my 100-400L, 300 f4 L + TC, etc etc

My experience as many tests have shown is that at 500mm the Tammy outperforms the 100-400 at 400. At 600mm  I never shoot under F8 and am happy with it.  The 400 5.6 L is great too, but again, it's only 400, no IS/VC, etc

My only dislike of the Tammy is the weight, I personally must use a monopod or tripod to keep it steady. But I couldnt even get a 600mm F4 out of the case if that was my other choice.
   For a 600mm lens, the Tamron 150-600 is light and the IS work very well. I'm not a strong guy, but I can handheld the Tamron 150-600 at 600mm steady for just long enough for me to frame and take a decent shot... I was unable to do that with my EF400mm F5.6L.

  Attached is a 100% crop of a shot I recently took at 600mm F6.3 handheld. Just crop and export using lightroom default setting with no other processing done. I think the lens sharpness is not bad at F6.3 if you get the focus right... the only problem is that the DoF is very thin at 600mm F6.3... when the eye area is in focus, the back of the bird is out of focus... ???

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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2014, 04:20:26 PM »
Thanks for the input and excellent sample pictures, I'm sold on the Tammy.  I plan to order one in the next few days so I have time to get familiar with it and perform AFMA before my trip north.
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2014, 04:27:03 PM »
Thanks for the input and excellent sample pictures, I'm sold on the Tammy.  I plan to order one in the next few days so I have time to get familiar with it and perform AFMA before my trip north.

I placed an order for it on 4/1 from BH so I'd have plenty of time before a July trip - haven't heard anything yet.   Status is still "On Order".  I wonder what the current lead time is.
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2014, 10:28:23 PM »
Thanks for the input and excellent sample pictures, I'm sold on the Tammy.  I plan to order one in the next few days so I have time to get familiar with it and perform AFMA before my trip north.

I placed an order for it on 4/1 from BH so I'd have plenty of time before a July trip - haven't heard anything yet.   Status is still "On Order".  I wonder what the current lead time is.

there is a quite a backlog for them as they are super popular
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2014, 05:36:46 AM »
Thanks for the input and excellent sample pictures, I'm sold on the Tammy.  I plan to order one in the next few days so I have time to get familiar with it and perform AFMA before my trip north.

I placed an order for it on 4/1 from BH so I'd have plenty of time before a July trip - haven't heard anything yet.   Status is still "On Order".  I wonder what the current lead time is.

there is a quite a backlog for them as they are super popular

I ordered last night from B&H, but am nervous about delivery now.  We leave for AK in 6 weeks.
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2014, 08:50:58 AM »
Thanks for the input and excellent sample pictures, I'm sold on the Tammy.  I plan to order one in the next few days so I have time to get familiar with it and perform AFMA before my trip north.

I placed an order for it on 4/1 from BH so I'd have plenty of time before a July trip - haven't heard anything yet.   Status is still "On Order".  I wonder what the current lead time is.

there is a quite a backlog for them as they are super popular

I ordered last night from B&H, but am nervous about delivery now.  We leave for AK in 6 weeks.
I would love to have the Tamron for an upcoming trip but since I leave a touch over three weeks for a twenty-four day road trip (Texas to California to Yellowstone to Texas) I doubt if any will be available.  I haven't pre-ordered because it isn't a necessary lens for any other trips I have planned this year so it might be wiser to leave the money in the photography account until next year.
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Re: EF 400L f/5.6 vs. Tamron 150-600
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2014, 01:24:02 PM »
I placed an order for it on 4/1 from BH so I'd have plenty of time before a July trip - haven't heard anything yet.   Status is still "On Order".  I wonder what the current lead time is.

there is a quite a backlog for them as they are super popular

Mine's been on order since 3/11. I had actually originally ordered it in February but was going to be out of town the week of their estimated shipping date (I got in touch with their customer service to find that out), so canceled my order. I should have asked if they could move me back in the queue instead. Oh well.

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