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Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« on: May 03, 2014, 10:32:41 AM »
Come on Canon!!!

I am going on a big trip in the fall and want to have compact ILC.  ARRRGGGHHHH!!!


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Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 11:14:24 AM »
Its not going to appear.  Mirrorless cameras are a huge sales flop in the USA and Europe.  Canon has said as much.  The ordinary camera buyers who shop the big box stores see them as glorified P&S cameras at a huge price and would rather get a DSLR for the same price.
 
I think that there are some at Canon who remember getting burned with their two previous tries at making cameras with a fixed pellicle mirror.  Sales were good at first, then tanked as users realized the limitations brought on by losing 1/3 of your light.  They put out the M as a trial, and, it was a bust.  In Asia, its more successful, so new mirrorless cameras will be aimed at Asian markets.
 
Obviously, there are some that would like them, and there are some on the market, you'll have to pick from one of them. 

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 11:45:10 AM »
If they just release one in Asia, I'm fine with that too.

I've got the M, 22mm and 11-22mm and find the set to be far better than normally reviewed.   I picked up the E-M10 and 17mm 1.8 when first released.   FAST!  I can't believe how quick it was to focus and fire off shots that aren't in focus!   Brilliant!

I use the M for family shots and, while slow, the keeper rate is far higher than anything in the Micro Four thirds arena.

For anybody interested in a 35mm equivalent FOV, there is nothing anywhere in the canon lineup that comes close to touching the quality of the M + 22mm f/2 at any kind of reasonable price point.   


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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 08:24:20 AM »
For anybody interested in a 35mm equivalent FOV, there is nothing anywhere in the canon lineup that comes close to touching the quality of the M + 22mm f/2 at any kind of reasonable price point.

I assume "reasonable price point" means the current M price point, or does it mean the original price point of the M or the current price point of the M2?

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 09:52:10 AM »
For anybody interested in a 35mm equivalent FOV, there is nothing anywhere in the canon lineup that comes close to touching the quality of the M + 22mm f/2 at any kind of reasonable price point.

I assume "reasonable price point" means the current M price point, or does it mean the original price point of the M or the current price point of the M2?

I'd say price point of the current M2 is still reasonable... at what price can one purchase the next least expensive body and lens to achieve 35mm equivalent FOV at f/2.0 within the EOS system?    At what price can somebody purchase a non-canon system (body + lens) and achieve the equivalent with equal image quality to the EOS-M?




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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2014, 11:37:40 AM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.
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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 08:48:27 PM »
I think that there are some at Canon who remember getting burned with their two previous tries at making cameras with a fixed pellicle mirror.  Sales were good at first, then tanked as users realized the limitations brought on by losing 1/3 of your light. 
EOS RT loses 2/3 of a stop not 1/3. By the way I do have it. Unfortunately its shutter needs servicing  :(

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2014, 09:21:02 PM »
For anybody interested in a 35mm equivalent FOV, there is nothing anywhere in the canon lineup that comes close to touching the quality of the M + 22mm f/2 at any kind of reasonable price point.

Would have to agree with that, not just for price but for overall physical size to carry around.  Even Sony A7R with Sony/Zeiss 55 mm had great quality but was still quite a bit larger to carry around, not to mention the price.   

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 11:24:42 PM »
I think that there are some at Canon who remember getting burned with their two previous tries at making cameras with a fixed pellicle mirror.  Sales were good at first, then tanked as users realized the limitations brought on by losing 1/3 of your light. 
EOS RT loses 2/3 of a stop not 1/3. By the way I do have it. Unfortunately its shutter needs servicing  :(

Thanks for the correction.  I hope you can get it fixed.  I go back to the Pellix in the 1960's or early 1970's.  I had forgotten which way the 2/3 of the light went.  I occasionally see a RT on Craigs list locally, but sellers usually have no clue as to a reasonable price.  In any event, I'm starting to sell off my dozens of old cameras, my kids are not interested in them.  The valuable ones sold first, so I'm down to the average 35mm cameras of the 1970's and 1980's.  I do still have a Nikon Ftn that I find it hard to part with.

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 03:39:04 AM »
I think that there are some at Canon who remember getting burned with their two previous tries at making cameras with a fixed pellicle mirror.  Sales were good at first, then tanked as users realized the limitations brought on by losing 1/3 of your light. 
EOS RT loses 2/3 of a stop not 1/3. By the way I do have it. Unfortunately its shutter needs servicing  :(
2/3 of a stop is 1/3 of the light.

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 04:56:29 AM »
I think that there are some at Canon who remember getting burned with their two previous tries at making cameras with a fixed pellicle mirror.  Sales were good at first, then tanked as users realized the limitations brought on by losing 1/3 of your light. 
EOS RT loses 2/3 of a stop not 1/3. By the way I do have it. Unfortunately its shutter needs servicing  :(
2/3 of a stop is 1/3 of the light.
Thanks, I just saw that the word "stop" was not mentioned and was wondering the same myself.

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 05:05:00 AM »
I hope you can get it fixed.
It is a known old Canon issue with the shutter getting old and needing cleaning (some rubber parts that look like oil on shutter). The service price was around 70 euros which is too much for a film camera that probably cannot be sold even for that amount!  :(

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 07:28:50 AM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.

wrong. dead wrong.
The current MIRRORLESS gear is nowhere near "good enough". Most definitely not the Canon EOS-M and M2.

Not good enough in terms of AF speed and performance. Only 2 MILCs are currently equipped with a remotely tracking-capable AF system - Fuji XT-1 and Nikon 1, but the latter has way too small a sensor.
Not good enough in terms EVF - resolution, color, lag ... while better than before, still suck, even in the best MILCs (Fuji XT-1).   
Not good enough in terms of shutter - not one MILC with a fully electronic global shutter yet. 100% silent. 100% free of vibrations. And X-Sync all the way to 1/8000s.
Not one MILC good enough in terms of battery charge ... 500 shots plus.

I also want a compact Canon EOS M3 with a better sensor, fully tracking-capable AF [@ 5+ fps], state of the art Retina-EVF and decent battery charge for 500+ shots.  At a reasonable price - meaning 100 USD€ less than the cheapest comparable mirrorslapper. 

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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2014, 10:32:04 AM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.

In my opinion your last sentences are mostly true.

I love my EOS M because it has two real advantages:
  - small and lightweight
  - standard zoom is much better than the equivalent standard zoom for DSLRs

O.k., manual mode is awkward in terms of control, an EVF would be very helpful.

But: Give that camera
  - a control wheel near the shutter release button (e.g. for exp time) and
  - a second control wheel concentrically to the lens mount (e.g. for aperture) (like S95 etc.) and
  - an ISO wheel +
  - a tiny LCD which shows just aperture, exp time, ISO and remaining shots/minutes.
  - a larger battery (with it's compartment acting as substantial hand grip)
and that camera is a winner for a lot of people - for these who enjoy photographic tools and are willing to pay e.g. 1000 $/€ for such a body. And it might be a winner for Canon: Advertising for a series of feature oriented EOS M like bodies (larger display, Wifi, 2nd display for selfies, etc.)

For me EOS M has replaced the S95 successfully as "always with me"-camera with extended capabilities and much better image quality especially at ISO bigger/equal than 400 ASA.
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Re: Where is the M-3 with the dual pixel sensor!!!!
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 12:32:58 PM »
Take your pick of currently available systems from Fujifilm, Sony, Olympus, Canon or Nikon. Loads of MILCs to choose from. Why wait for some mythical M3 that will prob never see a US or Europe release?

The current gear available today is more than good enough. The only limitation is the photographer.

wrong. dead wrong.
The current MIRRORLESS gear is nowhere near "good enough". Most definitely not the Canon EOS-M and M2.

Not good enough in terms of AF speed and performance. Only 2 MILCs are currently equipped with a remotely tracking-capable AF system - Fuji XT-1 and Nikon 1, but the latter has way too small a sensor.
Not good enough in terms EVF - resolution, color, lag ... while better than before, still suck, even in the best MILCs (Fuji XT-1).   
Not good enough in terms of shutter - not one MILC with a fully electronic global shutter yet. 100% silent. 100% free of vibrations. And X-Sync all the way to 1/8000s.
Not one MILC good enough in terms of battery charge ... 500 shots plus.

I also want a compact Canon EOS M3 with a better sensor, fully tracking-capable AF [@ 5+ fps], state of the art Retina-EVF and decent battery charge for 500+ shots.  At a reasonable price - meaning 100 USD€ less than the cheapest comparable mirrorslapper.

Nothing will ever be good enough for you! We've heard this rant a million times.  ::)

If you can't take a decent picture with current technology you are doing something terribly wrong with it. I didn't say the current MILCs were ideal for things like the Olympic games or chasing down wild animals on a safari but for the average use it is more than capable.

Heck even an iPhone is good enough for some really skillful photographers (I am not one of them and I need DSLR, I'm not afraid to admit that even then I kinda suck sometimes  :P )
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