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New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« on: May 05, 2014, 08:04:55 AM »

We’re told that Canon is working to implement depth of field control in upcoming PowerShot and Rebel DSLRs. The idea sounds like what Lytro is doing, or more recently what Google introduced for the Android camera.


There’s no mention of which camera(s) this would be introduced in, but it seems like a logical next step feature.


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New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« on: May 05, 2014, 08:04:55 AM »

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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 08:23:17 AM »
I saw that commercial for android.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the basic idea is that the image has infinite depth of feels and then the post production aspect of the software blurs our the portion that is not the subject.  It is a ridiculous concept and u would be very annoyed if the put that function in an slr... which has the capability to shoot at f1.2 with a corresponding lens.
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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 08:44:01 AM »
I saw that commercial for android.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the basic idea is that the image has infinite depth of feels and then the post production aspect of the software blurs our the portion that is not the subject.  It is a ridiculous concept and u would be very annoyed if the put that function in an slr... which has the capability to shoot at f1.2 with a corresponding lens.

I think "being annoyed" will only be felt by people who knows photography or somebody who really have a lens with a max aperture of F1.2.  For casual shooters, I think it will just be a new toy for them.  Having something to at least approximate the big boys' work is something that will really be appealing to most users.

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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 08:48:33 AM »
Just make sure it works with current EF L ;)
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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 08:49:34 AM »
Something I am wondering: why don't they create a "hyperfocal mode" where the AF would ensure that, regarding to the aperture, the picture would be sharp from min distance till infinity. It looks possible to implement this, and it could be useful.

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 08:53:02 AM »
"...but it seems like a logical next step feature."  really? for whom?  People that tend to take nice pictures (to avoid the term photographers) usually know where they want the focus to be before they press the shutter.  People that don't, usually think that "everything in focus" is the way to go.  I've had numerous people look at a picture with great subject separation and tell me "but why is the background out of focus?".

I can see the feature being somewhat useful to pros for micro-adjustments in post, but I don't see people that didn't know how to focus properly in camera spending hours in post to add bokeh to their pictures.

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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 08:54:20 AM »
Are you sure this is what it is?

I was thinking perhaps you specify DOF in distance, then depending on subject to camera distance it will automatically adjust aperture.

So if someone is walking towards you, you could maintain DOF instead of aperture.

Just a thought anyway

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 08:54:20 AM »

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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 08:54:57 AM »
Sounds like A-DEP mode plus some Instagram-like shallow DOF simulation in DPP.
Nothing new here.

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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 09:04:16 AM »
Many of Canon EOS film bodies had a "Depth" mode, so this is kind of a "Back to the Future" event!
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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 09:10:58 AM »
This makes me confused and that makes me cranky.

Don't my existing DSLR's have this already? Don't we call it Av?
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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 09:29:32 AM »
Think this will only work in wide angles which be set at F16 or 22 and then to the hyper focal distance (or further)

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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 09:29:38 AM »
I saw that commercial for android.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the basic idea is that the image has infinite depth of feels and then the post production aspect of the software blurs our the portion that is not the subject.  It is a ridiculous concept and u would be very annoyed if the put that function in an slr... which has the capability to shoot at f1.2 with a corresponding lens.

But having a lens with a shallow DoF doesn't give you the ability to change the focus after the shot, which Lytro do.
That's the important feature.
Can your current DSLR + F1.2 do this after you have taken the shot? https://pictures.lytro.com/lytro/albums/149429/embed?token=6cb04136-c43a-11e3-9416-22000a8b14ce

Unfortunately, even with their new Illum camera, the PQ from a Litro is still poor compared to a DSLR...

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 09:43:22 AM »
"...but it seems like a logical next step feature."  really? for whom?  People that tend to take nice pictures (to avoid the term photographers) usually know where they want the focus to be before they press the shutter.  People that don't, usually think that "everything in focus" is the way to go.  I've had numerous people look at a picture with great subject separation and tell me "but why is the background out of focus?".

I can see the feature being somewhat useful to pros for micro-adjustments in post, but I don't see people that didn't know how to focus properly in camera spending hours in post to add bokeh to their pictures.

You haven't shoot BIF yet, do you?  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 09:43:22 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2014, 09:44:39 AM »
Just make sure it works with current EF L ;)
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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 09:45:15 AM »
This makes me confused and that makes me cranky.

Don't my existing DSLR's have this already? Don't we call it Av?

What if you missed your subject in Av mode @ big apertures?
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Re: New PowerShot & EOS Cameras to Offer DOF Control?
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 09:45:15 AM »