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Tilt & Shift Fan?
« on: May 06, 2014, 10:35:01 AM »
I thought I had found a fellow tilt / shift fan,  but apparently it's some kind of LGBT inside joke thing - not that there's anything wrong with that, as Seinfeld would say.  I have no idea what it means, but thought it was funny.
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Tilt & Shift Fan?
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 11:53:28 AM »
..... I have no idea what it means.......
Nor do I.
I googled, came up with this..... http://quinist.tumblr.com/
I want my clicks back.  :o
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 12:15:26 PM »
I would not have initially considered that to mean tilt shift.   ;D ;D
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 12:22:07 PM »
I would not have initially considered that to mean tilt shift.   ;D ;D
I've been playing with my TS-E 24mm lately and just bought the TS-E 17mm, so I have Tilt/Shift on my mind ;D
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 12:26:35 PM »
I would not have initially considered that to mean tilt shift.   ;D ;D
I've been playing with my TS-E 24mm lately and just bought the TS-E 17mm, so I have Tilt/Shift on my mind ;D

I have been dreaming about getting a tilt shift lens.  I think that would be a lot of fun. 
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 12:30:39 PM »
I would not have initially considered that to mean tilt shift.   ;D ;D
I've been playing with my TS-E 24mm lately and just bought the TS-E 17mm, so I have Tilt/Shift on my mind ;D

I have been dreaming about getting a tilt shift lens.  I think that would be a lot of fun.
They are great once you get past the initial learning curve.  It's actually somewhat difficult to go back to normal lenses after you use T/S ones and you wonder why all lenses can't be T/S :)  If you can borrow or rent one, you owe it to yourself to try one.  I borrowed one from CPS before buying my first one.
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 07:56:28 PM »
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They are great once you get past the initial learning curve.  It's actually somewhat difficult to go back to normal lenses after you use T/S ones and you wonder why all lenses can't be T/S :)

After having bought 5 tilt shift lenses I can fully understand your statement above :) Same for me.
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 08:15:53 AM »
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They are great once you get past the initial learning curve.  It's actually somewhat difficult to go back to normal lenses after you use T/S ones and you wonder why all lenses can't be T/S :)

After having bought 5 tilt shift lenses I can fully understand your statement above :) Same for me.
I'm rather tempted to buy the rest of the T/S lenses, but will wait for Photokina in case the rumors of new ones being released are true.
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2014, 09:18:06 AM »

I'm rather tempted to buy the rest of the T/S lenses, but will wait for Photokina in case the rumors of new ones being released are true.

Maybe the owners of the car in the photo feel the same and are trying the message across to Canon  ;)
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2014, 04:55:55 PM »
Mac, do let us know how you feel the 24mm and the 17mm are different, and how they overlap.
I knew I wanted a TS lens, especially since I don't like perspective distortion and end up losing resolution and cropping. Also, the effect of selective focusing has always intrigued me.
But I wasn't sure if I want the 24mm TS-E or the 17mm more.
Pros for the 17mm include: wider angle will work better for the highrises that are my first goal. I work in a highrise complex and all the buildings are quite photogenic, especially at night. Also, I like indoor architectural photography a lot. If were to make photography my profession, this probably would be the most likely way.
Pros for the 24mm include: easier maneuverability, ability to use filters, and shallower depth of field.

Questions for the pros:
1. Do you expect restriction of movements with the 17mm + TC if you use a Lee adapter and 82mm screw-in/100mm square filters?
2. How much selective focusing is possible with the 17mm? How about 17mm + 1.4x and 17mm + 2x?
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2014, 02:42:53 PM »
@ sagittariansrock

Regarding your first question, a very quick & dirty test with my Canon 17 TS, 1.4x TC III, and the Lee adapter for the 17mm TS exhibited just a small amount of soft (non-mechanical) easily-correctable corner vignetting starting at about 10-11mm of shift. With a 1.4 TC hard-mechanical vignetting was never observable throughout the entire 12mm shift range. Of course without the TC, the 17mm adapter will start to (soft) vignette at about 5mm of shift and will become hard-corner vignetting at about 7mm.

I'm not sure what you mean by "...and 82mm screw-in/100mm square filters". The 105 screw-in (polarizing) filter and adapter-ring?

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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2014, 04:26:11 PM »
@ sagittariansrock

Regarding your first question, a very quick & dirty test with my Canon 17 TS, 1.4x TC III, and the Lee adapter for the 17mm TS exhibited just a small amount of soft (non-mechanical) easily-correctable corner vignetting starting at about 10-11mm of shift. With a 1.4 TC hard-mechanical vignetting was never observable throughout the entire 12mm shift range. Of course without the TC, the 17mm adapter will start to (soft) vignette at about 5mm of shift and will become hard-corner vignetting at about 7mm.

I'm not sure what you mean by "...and 82mm screw-in/100mm square filters". The 105 screw-in (polarizing) filter and adapter-ring?

Thanks so much for this information. I wasn't sure whether adding the TC alters the vignetting characteristics and you have completely resolved the question.
Regarding the 82/100- it was a bit of mistake. I was actually thinking of a DIY adapter that allows an 82mm screw in filter at the front end of the lens. But I don't presume a lot of people use that route.
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2014, 04:50:18 PM »
Mac, do let us know how you feel the 24mm and the 17mm are different, and how they overlap.
I knew I wanted a TS lens, especially since I don't like perspective distortion and end up losing resolution and cropping. Also, the effect of selective focusing has always intrigued me.
But I wasn't sure if I want the 24mm TS-E or the 17mm more.
Pros for the 17mm include: wider angle will work better for the highrises that are my first goal. I work in a highrise complex and all the buildings are quite photogenic, especially at night. Also, I like indoor architectural photography a lot. If were to make photography my profession, this probably would be the most likely way.
Pros for the 24mm include: easier maneuverability, ability to use filters, and shallower depth of field.
I chose the 24 mainly because I use a polarizer a whole lot here in Florida and I had the luck to get it during a refurb sale as well.  I find it too narrow for most interiors without stitching but have shot up to 20+ story buildings with it (see the three somewhat sloppy [aka personal work]) examples below).  The problem is that you have to get a good way from the building and sometimes, streets & buildings (in photo 2), water (I'm watching for alligators in photo 3), and such get in the way and limit your compositions.  I'm happy to say that the 17mm is much wider and should really help in that dept.  I didn't have much time to play with the 17 last night (my mother in law is coming, so my current Honey-do list is rather long...), but they seem very similar but I know the 17mm has slightly less range in one of the movements.  Given the huge angle of view, that shouldn't be an issue.  As for filters, I'm sure I'll go the Wonderpana direction, mainly for the ND filters.  I use them a lot to blur water, people, and cars for exterior shots.



I'm smashing myself against the door to the Florida Supreme Court to get everything in frame for this photo.  Something the security doesn't find too exciting, even after hours:


I'm trying not to fall into the water here and I had to use the 1.4x to get better framing.  Also, note that a ND32 filter was used - and poorly as the fountain somehow disappeared:
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2014, 01:18:45 PM »
One more thought on the TS-E 17 - the lens cap is awesome!  It's so much better than the 14L II that I had.  I put the 17 and 24 on the 1D X & 5DIII last night for comparison and they are far more alike than different, but the test will come when I shoot with them both this weekend.  I'll post some shots...
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Re: Tilt & Shift Fan?
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2014, 03:16:17 PM »
One more thought on the TS-E 17 - the lens cap is awesome!  It's so much better than the 14L II that I had.  I put the 17 and 24 on the 1D X & 5DIII last night for comparison and they are far more alike than different, but the test will come when I shoot with them both this weekend.  I'll post some shots...

Just a comment on your pictures you posted: it is natural to have converging lines in perspective; it's how we see things as they get further away. I can still remember my art teacher showing me this at my first school ! Correcting this fully in shift gives a very unnatural image that isn't actually correct.

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