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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2014, 12:36:03 PM »
Why on earth would anyone recommend the 1D4 over the 5D3 for studio work?  I shot with both cameras a lot, and the 5D3 IQ is better than the 1D4, hands-down.  Weddings I can understand, the 1D4 having the 1/300s flash sync speed, but IQ is still less.
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2014, 12:36:03 PM »

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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2014, 01:04:12 PM »
TeleFragger,

I can't tell you which camera body to get but I can ask a couple of questions that may help you in making your decision.

Several other posters have suggested you consider the 5D Mark III and I too think that is a worthy option to consider. So here are my questions:

What exactly would the 1dx and 1d4 do for your particular photography that a 5D Mark III won't?

And is that difference worth the extra money you would be spending?

Or would that extra money be better spent on higher-end glass or something else like a nice trip?

Hope these questions help.

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PS: you may already have thought of this but be sure to set aside enough money to get your new equipment properly insured. Many homeowner policies will not cover the dollar value of camera equipment you are considering without a specific rider or option. And you may want to get a separate policy and not mingle it with your homeowners insurance.

well that is the thing. The guy I work with has a 5dm3 and does studio work with peeps and he recommends the 1dm4 over the 5dm3

Did he say, or did you ask him, exactly why he recommends the 1dm4 over the 5dm3? And does this reason fit with your situation? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Details matter. Your exact purposes matter. In the end, it's up to you, but I'm seeing mostly what other people are telling you. What I'm not seeing in your statements is something specific to your situation like: I prefer camera body X to camera body Y because it has these sets of features and I'm willing to pay $xxxx more to get those specific extra features. Or, I'm going with camera body A over camera body B even though A doesn't have all the features of B, but I don't really need those features for what I do and I can use the $zzzz money I'm saving by buying A and use it for [state purpose here].

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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2014, 01:33:53 PM »
TeleFragger,

I can't tell you which camera body to get but I can ask a couple of questions that may help you in making your decision.

Several other posters have suggested you consider the 5D Mark III and I too think that is a worthy option to consider. So here are my questions:

What exactly would the 1dx and 1d4 do for your particular photography that a 5D Mark III won't?

And is that difference worth the extra money you would be spending?

Or would that extra money be better spent on higher-end glass or something else like a nice trip?

Hope these questions help.

Vivid

PS: you may already have thought of this but be sure to set aside enough money to get your new equipment properly insured. Many homeowner policies will not cover the dollar value of camera equipment you are considering without a specific rider or option. And you may want to get a separate policy and not mingle it with your homeowners insurance.

well that is the thing. The guy I work with has a 5dm3 and does studio work with peeps and he recommends the 1dm4 over the 5dm3

Did he say, or did you ask him, exactly why he recommends the 1dm4 over the 5dm3? And does this reason fit with your situation? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. Details matter. Your exact purposes matter. In the end, it's up to you, but I'm seeing mostly what other people are telling you. What I'm not seeing in your statements is something specific to your situation like: I prefer camera body X to camera body Y because it has these sets of features and I'm willing to pay $xxxx more to get those specific extra features. Or, I'm going with camera body A over camera body B even though A doesn't have all the features of B, but I don't really need those features for what I do and I can use the $zzzz money I'm saving by buying A and use it for [state purpose here].


yeah he is one cube away.. so I just walked over there (we got big cubes with high walls.. hah..

but anyway he said because the 5dm3 is not a sports camera. Wont give me the 10fps, is rugged but not as much since I told him some games are in the rain and i mean down pour.
I know some here will say the 5dm3 will do just that too....

he has a 1dm2 and 5dm3... now he shoots weddings on the side.. doesnt really do sports...

I cant sit here and say I like X body over x body or I like these features on body x because I havent messed with them all...
there is a local camera shop that we walked into (we as in 5dm3 boy and I).. and I got to hold the 70d with 50-500 on it and  i liked the feel A LOT... but that was before my truck was up for sale so if the truck sale goes through im looking at bigger toys!!!!

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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2014, 02:16:35 PM »
If you feel comfortable, and he is a close enough friend, ask him to borrow it over a weekend when you are shooting MMA or sports when he's not shooting 2nd.

This will likely answer most of your questions.  Something tells me 6fps from the 5D will be sufficient - getting keepers has more to do with technique (e.g. timing and anticipation) in action, imho anyway.  1Dx just takes spray and pray to a whole new level.
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2014, 02:27:02 PM »
If you feel comfortable, and he is a close enough friend, ask him to borrow it over a weekend when you are shooting MMA or sports when he's not shooting 2nd.

This will likely answer most of your questions.  Something tells me 6fps from the 5D will be sufficient - getting keepers has more to do with technique (e.g. timing and anticipation) in action, imho anyway.  1Dx just takes spray and pray to a whole new level.

he wont loan anything out.. I needed a 70-200 f2.8 for a work event and I hinted needing to find one to borrow. later that day we were talking about something and he said.. yeah that is why I dont loan anything out to ANYONE....

also spray and pray... i do fine with my 3.4 a sec... I got ok timing.. anticipation.. I did one street hockey and got EVERY goal in the net... think it was like 6-4... what I want out of the spray is simple... something I have wanted to do and cant do with my t2i...

see an anticipated goal from the goalie... or dive save...

zoom out a bit for full frame I want... start the ... RATTTAAA TAAAT TTAAAAT TAAAAAT....
then at home take say 8 or so.... layer them in Photoshop and have that beautiful pic showing all motion where starting point is faint all the way to the dive save that is not faint at all...


same as baseball... get the pitcher winding up and throwing.... ball in air down the plate line.. then batter hitting...

a lot of work on that one but would be cool....

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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2014, 03:22:44 PM »
Have you considered renting?  Try the 5D and maybe even throw in the 70-200 2.8 - 5 days rental will likely cost somewhere around $200.

Renting could save you $2000-$3000+ if you find the 5DIII suits your needs and don't feel the need for a 1D body.
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2014, 03:46:37 PM »
If you feel comfortable, and he is a close enough friend, ask him to borrow it over a weekend when you are shooting MMA or sports when he's not shooting 2nd.

This will likely answer most of your questions.  Something tells me 6fps from the 5D will be sufficient - getting keepers has more to do with technique (e.g. timing and anticipation) in action, imho anyway.  1Dx just takes spray and pray to a whole new level.

he wont loan anything out.. I needed a 70-200 f2.8 for a work event and I hinted needing to find one to borrow. later that day we were talking about something and he said.. yeah that is why I dont loan anything out to ANYONE....

also spray and pray... i do fine with my 3.4 a sec... I got ok timing.. anticipation.. I did one street hockey and got EVERY goal in the net... think it was like 6-4... what I want out of the spray is simple... something I have wanted to do and cant do with my t2i...

see an anticipated goal from the goalie... or dive save...

zoom out a bit for full frame I want... start the ... RATTTAAA TAAAT TTAAAAT TAAAAAT....
then at home take say 8 or so.... layer them in Photoshop and have that beautiful pic showing all motion where starting point is faint all the way to the dive save that is not faint at all...


same as baseball... get the pitcher winding up and throwing.... ball in air down the plate line.. then batter hitting...

a lot of work on that one but would be cool....


LOL! I can see why your friend suggested the 1D IV.
It seems the rapid-fire burst and a rugged body really appeals to you, you like things big and badass! Like your truck!
And your friend has brought you down from the unrealistic (for your experience and needs, probably) 1D X to a more reasonable 1D IV- I give him credits for that.
I have never used a 1-series body, but I have not heard anything bad about them except weight (oh, and Mackguyver's fake rants about his 1D X!). The ergonomics are great, the fps and ruggedness as mentioned before, premium AF and control features.

I also don't think you will lose a lot of IQ by getting the 1D IV instead of the 5DIII. Sometimes, IQ isn't the most important thing. Personally, I don't think you'd be happy with a 5DIII, regardless of the images you get from it and the features it provides. I also think you won't miss the 1D X if you end up getting the 1D IV.

My 2 cents- get the 1D IV- you'll be very satisfied.
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2014, 03:46:37 PM »

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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2014, 03:49:08 PM »
1D X will not give you decent IQ if don't have decent lenses to shoot with.
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2014, 04:19:47 PM »
I have never used a 1-series body, but I have not heard anything bad about them except weight (oh, and Mackguyver's fake rants about his 1D X!). The ergonomics are great, the fps and ruggedness as mentioned before, premium AF and control features.
Who said my rants were fake!  Okay, they might have been a little sarcastic...but yes, other than the size & weight, you won't hear many complaints about the 1D X.  The 1D III is another story, but they fixed that with the 1D IV :).  I haven't seen many complaints about the 5DIII, either, though.

I'd second the suggestion on giving the gear a rent, but will say that the 5DIII is plenty of camera for most people and 6fps isn't 12fps, but it's fast enough for most sports and wildlife work if you have good timing.  Even with the 1D X, you can't machine gun a whole game unless you want to go through a few 256GB cards and spend hours and hours going through near-identical photos.  The difference between 6 & 12 fps is really this - 12fps is for when you have to get the shot and can't miss it / have to capture the precise moment (like when the ball leaves the players hand).  6fps is for when you are okay with getting most shots and potentially missing the peak moment but getting the shot just before or just after the peak.

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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2014, 04:40:52 PM »
I don't have too much experience of the 5D Nk3, but from what I have seen/tried is is a fine camera and I rate it. I used to have a 1D4 and currently use the 1DX.
The 1DX is a fantastic camera that I would recommend to anyone - if they don't mind the weight! However in your case I would strongly suggest that a 5D3 with a few L lenses would be a better setup than a 1DX with cheaper glass (as many have already said). With third party lenses you will loose much, if not all, of the AF speed advantage of the 1DX. Even for sports/wildlife 6fps isn't a huge disadvantage, I never ran my 1D4 or run my 1DX at max fps as there is little point and the AF seems to work a little better at 1 or 2 fps below max.
The 5D3 is arguably the best "All Round" camera currently available at less than silly money. If your main bias is fast moving subjects the a used 1D4 is roughly the same money and a good alternative. For more general use I would go for the 5D3.
I only went to the 1D4/1DX AFTER I had my glass, as whatever camera you buy the first step in getting high quality images is the lens!
You will probably be delighted with any of the 3 cameras but I would suggest you get the glass first and then see which camera you can afford. Incidentally ditch the Sigma 50-500 and get a Canon 400 F5.6 L (new or used) - better lens. I don't bother with long Zoom lenses as even my 800mm is only VERY rarely too long.

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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2014, 08:23:06 PM »
but anyway he said because the 5dm3 is not a sports camera. Wont give me the 10fps, is rugged but not as much since I told him some games are in the rain and i mean down pour.

If you shoot in downpours, consider lenses which are environmentally sealed.
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2014, 08:32:03 PM »
but anyway he said because the 5dm3 is not a sports camera. Wont give me the 10fps, is rugged but not as much since I told him some games are in the rain and i mean down pour.

If you shoot in downpours, consider lenses which are environmentally sealed.

Or a rain sleeve.
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2014, 09:04:52 PM »
Geez, you guys and your 5DIII's  ::)  No one who wants to shoot sports primarily is ever going to be satisfied with a 5DIII.  You need the high frame rate to maximize the chance to get the right shots - intense facial expressions, ball just leaving the hand, two faces and that sense of conflict and emotion, etc. that you can't get with proper timing alone.  This is literally what the 1 series was designed for and y'all are telling him its not the right camera?

My advice to you Fragger is to listen to your friend at work and go for the 1DIV.  I have one, I shoot sports and wildlife, it rules.  The 1DX is amazing and I'd trade up for it in a heartbeat if I had the money but to get the most out of that body would mean spending five figures on lenses as well.  For the money you're looking at getting I'd go for the 1DIV, a used v1 300mm or 400mm f2.8 IS and a good monopod and be absolutely blown away shooting sports.  You'll probably even have a good chunk left over to take the wife out somewhere nice. If you get really really into sports shooting, like start making money at it or whatever, you can always upgrade to the 1DX later on.

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2014, 09:07:29 PM »
On the other hand, you have the money set aside for the 1DX (pending sale of the truck).

Just do it man.  Life is too short.   ;D
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Re: upgrade from t2i to 1dm4 or 1dx??
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2014, 12:18:30 AM »
I went from a 7D to a 5D3 and although I've never held a 1DX I'd say save your money for fast lens's and get the 5D3. Your gonna have a big enough learning curve as it is. I went from a Rebel XTi to a t2i to a 7D then the 5D3. I am still blown away at how much better the 5d3 is compared to my 7D. I sold all of me Lens's when I did my last upgrade and am slowly upgrading as funds allow. Currently I own a EF 24-105mm L and a EF 17-40mm L. My next lens is gonna be the EF 70-200 L IS and then the 100mm L macro. As far as action shots go my wife use to take pictures of me jumping out of C130's and C17's using my old Rebel Xti and a dirt cheap tamron zoom which is light years away from what I own now. I'll attach a couple pics. Oh and I'll also add a pic of my '14 2SS.
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