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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 04:36:51 PM »
Ah, ML to the rescue - maybe Canon will actually hire them one of these days... 

Also, just an update from me - the more I use the 1D X, the more I could see myself moving away from my 5DIII for good.  It's a 5DIII with more of everything except pixels ;D, but I'm not finding that I miss them all that much.  The files at ISO 6400 are so nice to work with, but the silent shutter mode and small size of the 5DIII sure are nice, too.  For my work, the 1D X makes more sense, but if I only shot landscapes, streets, travel photography, etc., I think the 5DIII would be a better choice.
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 04:36:51 PM »

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 05:02:19 PM »
Dear Friend mackguyver.
If I were you, I will keep both of them 1Dx and 5D MK III, and Wait  until this Christmas 2014, Canon will put 3Da ( Not 3D = Three Dimensions, But 3Da , a = able to beat the sh_t   of Nikon) in the market  = 36 MP or 42 MP (?), Plus GPS. on demand too----You and Me can get this Baby.
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2014, 06:49:21 PM »
Dear Friend mackguyver.
If I were you, I will keep both of them 1Dx and 5D MK III, and Wait  until this Christmas 2014, Canon will put 3Da ( Not 3D = Three Dimensions, But 3Da , a = able to beat the sh_t   of Nikon) in the market  = 36 MP or 42 MP (?), Plus GPS. on demand too----You and Me can get this Baby.
Ha, Ha, Ha.
Have a great day, Sir.
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2014, 12:09:14 AM »
Hi Surapon & Menace - I was just commenting on the thread - jasonsim is the OP asking the question.  I couldn't be happier with the two bodies and feel extremely fortunate to have both  :) 8)
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2014, 05:26:05 AM »
Hi Surapon & Menace - I was just commenting on the thread - jasonsim is the OP asking the question.  I couldn't be happier with the two bodies and feel extremely fortunate to have both  :) 8)

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2014, 05:47:17 AM »
Positives for the 1Dx:
2.  Spot metering on any AF point (not just the center point).
3.  A bit faster AF speed on most lenses.
4.  better metering and AWB.

These are really very desirable features for reliable/pro shooting, esp. the af-linked spot plus RGB metering should do better in some situations where my 60d/6d becomes hit-or-miss and you have to expose for safety.

Negatives about the 1Dx as compared to the 5D III:

4. No Magic Lantern: No raw video, no auto_iso with flash, no 15ev enhanced dynamic range, no focus stacking, no dof or automatic bracketing, no zebras, no raw histogram, no timelapses, no user scripting, no nothing really why I keep using Canon :-)

Btw for base iso stills shooting the 6d has arguably better iq than the 1dx: less banding, more dynamic range (out of the box and another +1/3ev with Magic Lantern's mini_iso module) which combined result in even more *usable* dr.

11. Auto ISO upper limit above 1/200s (essential for sports if you use Auto ISO) - I sure hope Canon gives us this in a future 5DIII upgrade if nothing else.  It cripples/crippled the Auto ISO feature and made/makes Canon look like idiots compared to Canon.  Why Canon, why?

The answer is obvious, but this is an example of really braindead crippling that is only there to "upsell" customers. This problem is also fixed by ML which provides unlimited min. shutter speeds in auto_iso mode, 2/3 of my shots use this to get at least 1/500s (on 6d).

the new auto exposure compensation when in Manual mode.  Not really used it, but would have loved it when I photographed eagles last Nov.

Available through ML (though currently only in a "wip" module not yet in the nightlies).

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2014, 10:25:26 AM »
11. Auto ISO upper limit above 1/200s (essential for sports if you use Auto ISO) - I sure hope Canon gives us this in a future 5DIII upgrade if nothing else.  It cripples/crippled the Auto ISO feature and made/makes Canon look like idiots compared to Canon.  Why Canon, why?

The answer is obvious, but this is an example of really braindead crippling that is only there to "upsell" customers. This problem is also fixed by ML which provides unlimited min. shutter speeds in auto_iso mode, 2/3 of my shots use this to get at least 1/500s (on 6d).
I really like Canon gear, but I'll say that the firmware crippling of features (though they may fix this one) is the one annoying thing about Canon's bodies (AFMA is another one).  Obviously it's part of their sales strategy and they are not unique (Porsche fans may have heard that the Cayman S with rear diff is faster around the Nordschleife than the 911, for example), but it's still annoying.
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2014, 10:25:26 AM »

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2014, 08:13:28 PM »
Positives for the 1Dx:
2.  Spot metering on any AF point (not just the center point).
3.  A bit faster AF speed on most lenses.
4.  better metering and AWB.

These are really very desirable features for reliable/pro shooting, esp. the af-linked spot plus RGB metering should do better in some situations where my 60d/6d becomes hit-or-miss and you have to expose for safety.

Negatives about the 1Dx as compared to the 5D III:

4. No Magic Lantern: No raw video, no auto_iso with flash, no 15ev enhanced dynamic range, no focus stacking, no dof or automatic bracketing, no zebras, no raw histogram, no timelapses, no user scripting, no nothing really why I keep using Canon :-)

Btw for base iso stills shooting the 6d has arguably better iq than the 1dx: less banding, more dynamic range (out of the box and another +1/3ev with Magic Lantern's mini_iso module) which combined result in even more *usable* dr.

11. Auto ISO upper limit above 1/200s (essential for sports if you use Auto ISO) - I sure hope Canon gives us this in a future 5DIII upgrade if nothing else.  It cripples/crippled the Auto ISO feature and made/makes Canon look like idiots compared to Canon.  Why Canon, why?

The answer is obvious, but this is an example of really braindead crippling that is only there to "upsell" customers. This problem is also fixed by ML which provides unlimited min. shutter speeds in auto_iso mode, 2/3 of my shots use this to get at least 1/500s (on 6d).

the new auto exposure compensation when in Manual mode.  Not really used it, but would have loved it when I photographed eagles last Nov.

Available through ML (though currently only in a "wip" module not yet in the nightlies).

damn when will all of that stuff get into a stable ML version for the 5Dmk3 I really want some of that and have they fixed the slow boot time. I dont want to install ML on my 5D3 unless its a more advanced stable release
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2014, 05:18:19 AM »
damn when will all of that stuff get into a stable ML version for the 5Dmk3

Most likely, there won't be any "stable" 5d3 ML at all, due to limited dev/testing resources they recently re-labeled the nightly versions as "as stable as it gets". There are some ideas for stable branches from nightly, but I don't think they'll be implemented... much more interesting to code new things than to bughunt or write docs.

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2014, 07:39:47 PM »
damn when will all of that stuff get into a stable ML version for the 5Dmk3

Most likely, there won't be any "stable" 5d3 ML at all, due to limited dev/testing resources they recently re-labeled the nightly versions as "as stable as it gets". There are some ideas for stable branches from nightly, but I don't think they'll be implemented... much more interesting to code new things than to bughunt or write docs.

bugger
don't feel like risking bricking my mk3
even an alpha would be good
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2014, 05:58:26 AM »
even an alpha would be good

Ask anyone in the software industry - these labels mean nothing, a Linux/OSS v0.1 alpha program might be much more stable than a commercial 2.0 release version.

But for good measure, the 5d3 port is way more stable than "alpha" and is the best supported ML version: The main dev Alex uses it himself. Imho there is near zero risk with the current 5d3 port state, all unstable development is done in branches and not the main "nightly" which is essentially the "new stable".

My be: once you install it youl'll think "I must have been mad not to use this before" - the raw histogram alone is worth it as you see your actual exposure and stop flying blind when it comes to ettr and highlight safety.

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2014, 06:18:41 PM »
moving from a 5D MkIII to The PENTAX 645Z This camera offers a lot for the price $8499.99
 Sensor Type 43.8 x 32.8mm CMOS No AA filter
Resolution Total: 52.99 megapixels
Effective: 51.4 megapixels
8,265 x 6,192px file resolution
Sensitivity    ISO 100 - 204,800
File Formats    Stills: JPEG, TIFF, 14-bit RAW (PEF, DNG)
Video: H.264 MOV
Interval Video: AVI
Processor    PRIME III
Video    
60i / 50i / 30p / 25p / 24p
Full HD and HD
4K
Interval shooting only
(2-2000 frames every 1s or more)

External mic input
Metering    
86k-pixel RGB sensor
Lens Mount    Pentax 645D AF2 Mount
Image Stabilization    In-body: N/A
In-lens: select lenses only

Built-in ultrasonic dust removal (DRII)
Autofocus Type
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27 autofocus points, 25 cross-type
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Tilting 3.2" screen with 1,037,000 dots
Live View    Yes, with focus peaking
Viewfinder    Trapezoid prism optical viewfinder

98% coverage, 0.62x magnification
Shutter    1/4000s maximum shutter speed
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Media    2 SD/SDHC/SDXC cards slots, UHS-I compatible

Eye-Fi/FluCard support
Dimenstions    156 x 117 x 123 mm (WxHxD)
Weight    1550g
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2014, 09:08:03 AM »
I had both cameras for business, still have a 5D3 as my "family" camera (short story of why is that it's smaller than the X and my wife uses it... but... on vacations... the X goes if I'm shooting...)...

So, I had both, I shoot sports and a lot of league photo type stuff... I used the 5D3 as my team camera as it has more megapixs... My thought was there would be more detail potentially with more megapix... then I shot a team photo with an X and started to compare the two images... I personally like (so don't flame me people, it's "my opinion"...) the file "quality" out of the X better than the 5D3... I sold my "business" 5D3 and bought my 4th 1Dx.  Now I have no compromises, I only have X's so it's me if there's a problem now and I can't point to the camera and say "... well I used that body..." (even though the 5D3 is a fantastic camera...)

I would say if you've compared the quality of the images between the two cameras and you're happy with both, the 5D3 offers some advantages over the X...

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2014, 09:08:03 AM »

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2014, 06:43:18 AM »
damn when will all of that stuff get into a stable ML version for the 5Dmk3

Most likely, there won't be any "stable" 5d3 ML at all, due to limited dev/testing resources they recently re-labeled the nightly versions as "as stable as it gets". There are some ideas for stable branches from nightly, but I don't think they'll be implemented... much more interesting to code new things than to bughunt or write docs.

just put the latest nighly on my EOS-M and downloaded the 5Dmk3 one

trying to muster up the guts to install on the mk3...
the M seems fine with it
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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2014, 07:19:12 AM »
the M seems fine with it

Fyi: the M port is way more recent, un-tested and lacks some features that the full 5d3 version has... I know the "I don't want to brick my camera" feeling from when I first installed a ML alpha on my shiny new 60d 3 years ago, but those where the days when ML was way more unstable and didn't have the broad user base that tests it.

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Re: Thinking about moving from a 1Dx back to 5D MkIII
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