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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2014, 02:38:56 AM »
The only reason the 1200 was built, actually there are two reasons. The first was the '84 LA Olympics, it was pre EOS so they were FD 1200's with a 1.4 TC built in, just like the 30 year later "innovative" 200-400 f4.

The FD 1200's were never sold though, they were always Canon property. In the late '80's Canon and Nikon got in an arms race and the genesis of that was Japanese baseball and the Koshien Stadium. Nikon ended up coming out with a manual focus 1200-1700 zoom, and it was thought that was partly because of the various patents Canon took out on the FD 1200's internal TC. Every one of the FD1200's went back to Japan and was rebodied into an EF 1200, it lost the TC in the move too.

There is an excellent article floating around about one of the Nikon 1200-1700 shooters at the Koshien Stadium.

Unless Nikon start another arms race, which has zero probability into the modern camera makers financial climate, we won't see anything over the 800mm come out, indeed it has taken Nikon a long time to bring a rival to the table for the under performing EF800 anyway.

As for half the other lenses, the 135 will never get an update, it is a sterling lens but what does it need that the beancounters wouldn't say the 70-200 f2.8 IS can do better (other than the obvious f2 in which case you already have it). Ditto the 200 f2.8, and the 70-200 2.8 L, they don't even give you a faster aperture.

The 28-300, who cares? It was a big improvement on its predecessor, the 35-350, but superzooms are really not what the L's are about, paparazzi don't care for corner sharpness, and news/event shooters don't care about resolution.

70-200 f4, bargain entry into L's, no movement for a price rise in that one.

Some of the others, the 14-24 f2.8, the 45 and 90 TS-E's I am looking forwards to.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #90 on: May 13, 2014, 02:38:56 AM »

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #91 on: May 13, 2014, 02:43:37 AM »
^^ the same was said about the 17-40/4 not getting an IS version over the past 5 years and yet an IS version was just announced less than 3 hours ago.

Never say never, if there's demand the company will make it.

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #92 on: May 13, 2014, 02:48:12 AM »
Great re-16-35 IS!

I bought a 17-40 in December for a great price...  I don't use it that much here, but maybe in a couple of years i'll upgrade! :)  New lenses are always good....  The 10-18 too....  nice price too!
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #93 on: May 13, 2014, 02:52:46 AM »
US$ 1,199.00 for the new 16-35 is pretty reasonable. I just wish it was f/2.8. If they make a new f/2.8 version with improvements over the old lens, I will snap one up.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #94 on: May 13, 2014, 02:54:57 AM »
MTF looks nice but when will they update these older L lenses?

1998 - EF 35mm f/1.4L USM
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1995 - EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM   
1996 - EF180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
1997 - EF300mm f/4L IS USM
1993 - EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
1993 - EF 1200mm f/5.6L USM   
1996 - EF200mm f/2.8L II USM
1999 - EF 70-200mm f/4L USM

The EF 16-35 f/4L IS supplants the 2003 - EF17-40mm f/4L USM.

Where is the EF 14-24mm f/2.8L USM that rivals Nikons or an L version of  TS-E45mm f/2.8 & TS-E90mm f/2.8?

In one way they already updated the 70-200s on this list when they added IS to them  ;)

The 1200mm was a one off, highly specialized, rare and expensive beast, you can't really put that one on the list since no one is expecting it to be updated. (Are they??)

The 200mm f/2.8 is rarely talked about, I guess they could stick IS in there and improve the optics but then you might as well just buy the excellent 70-200LII.

I agree with the rest though. That updated 100-400 was promised to us "after the 200-400 starts shipping in decent numbers." So that was just BS?   :o

I think the 28-300L isn't going to be replaced.
Why do you think the 300 f4IS needs replacing?

I also don't see the 35L being replaced soon. Later it will have amazing IQ, nine curved blades, weather sealing, and cost north of $ 2k.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #95 on: May 13, 2014, 02:57:22 AM »
Quote
And should Canon have another lens for those who want:
1. Better ergonomics
2. Weather sealing
3. Constant aperture
??


[First off, I am really not knocking on you, even though I am quoting your post- so please don't take this personally. I am just responding to similar opinions on this thread.]
You have to realize you (or people like you) do not comprise 100% of the market.
At f/8 or narrower apertures, there already is an excellent, economical lens.
You don't "think" people will miss large apertures, and that is similar to majority of comments on these fora- speculations
But businesses do not run on speculations- you need hard data.
Companies like Canon do market research before spending $$$ on developing a product.
If they bring out a "f/4" "L " "IS" they know there is a big market for all three attributes.

Same goes for those who "do not need IS", "don't care if it's not f/2.8", "won't buy it if it doesn't go to 40mm", etc.

Me, I wanted a sharp wide angle lens, without coma, fast aperture- so I can take the occasional landscape shots and night sky shots. I bought the Rokinon 14mm. I don't care about a UWA zoom at the moment. A year ago, maybe. A year later, maybe. But you won't hear me say "I do not need an UWA zoom, so I wonder why Canon needs to bring out one".

Yeah I totally agree with you that Canon definitely has done some intensive market researches before developing a product. My point is that Canon already offered plenty of UWA L lenses for pro  (17-40, 17-35, 16-35, 14mm) but none for amateurs and enthusiasts on budget. I'm "said" because, again, Canon has targeted this lens to pro. The widest economical lens for FF to date is 20mm F2/8, not even qualified for UWA.

Well, the 17-40L is pretty cheap for a pro lens at ~550 used.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #96 on: May 13, 2014, 02:59:50 AM »
no one has mentioned this, but 77mm filter size! yay!

that's a little surprising to me considering 24mm & 24-70mm upgrades increased filter size. now there's a good chance the 16-35/2.8 upgrade will retain 82mm filter size.

It's official. http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup

Those are faster lenses. I'd be surprised if they release an f/4 with 82mm filters.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #96 on: May 13, 2014, 02:59:50 AM »

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #97 on: May 13, 2014, 03:03:52 AM »
The only reason the 1200 was built, actually there are two reasons. The first was the '84 LA Olympics, it was pre EOS so they were FD 1200's with a 1.4 TC built in, just like the 30 year later "innovative" 200-400 f4.

The FD 1200's were never sold though, they were always Canon property. In the late '80's Canon and Nikon got in an arms race and the genesis of that was Japanese baseball and the Koshien Stadium. Nikon ended up coming out with a manual focus 1200-1700 zoom, and it was thought that was partly because of the various patents Canon took out on the FD 1200's internal TC. Every one of the FD1200's went back to Japan and was rebodied into an EF 1200, it lost the TC in the move too.

There is an excellent article floating around about one of the Nikon 1200-1700 shooters at the Koshien Stadium.

Unless Nikon start another arms race, which has zero probability into the modern camera makers financial climate, we won't see anything over the 800mm come out, indeed it has taken Nikon a long time to bring a rival to the table for the under performing EF800 anyway.

As for half the other lenses, the 135 will never get an update, it is a sterling lens but what does it need that the beancounters wouldn't say the 70-200 f2.8 IS can do better (other than the obvious f2 in which case you already have it). Ditto the 200 f2.8, and the 70-200 2.8 L, they don't even give you a faster aperture.

The 28-300, who cares? It was a big improvement on its predecessor, the 35-350, but superzooms are really not what the L's are about, paparazzi don't care for corner sharpness, and news/event shooters don't care about resolution.

70-200 f4, bargain entry into L's, no movement for a price rise in that one.

Some of the others, the 14-24 f2.8, the 45 and 90 TS-E's I am looking forwards to.

yeah I doubt a 1200mm, at least not unless it is some new type of lens,  DO at the least

the 135mm I'd bet WILL get updated though

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #98 on: May 13, 2014, 03:06:27 AM »
The only reason the 1200 was built, actually there are two reasons. The first was the '84 LA Olympics, it was pre EOS so they were FD 1200's with a 1.4 TC built in, just like the 30 year later "innovative" 200-400 f4.

The FD 1200's were never sold though, they were always Canon property. In the late '80's Canon and Nikon got in an arms race and the genesis of that was Japanese baseball and the Koshien Stadium. Nikon ended up coming out with a manual focus 1200-1700 zoom, and it was thought that was partly because of the various patents Canon took out on the FD 1200's internal TC. Every one of the FD1200's went back to Japan and was rebodied into an EF 1200, it lost the TC in the move too.

There is an excellent article floating around about one of the Nikon 1200-1700 shooters at the Koshien Stadium.

Unless Nikon start another arms race, which has zero probability into the modern camera makers financial climate, we won't see anything over the 800mm come out, indeed it has taken Nikon a long time to bring a rival to the table for the under performing EF800 anyway.

As for half the other lenses, the 135 will never get an update, it is a sterling lens but what does it need that the beancounters wouldn't say the 70-200 f2.8 IS can do better (other than the obvious f2 in which case you already have it). Ditto the 200 f2.8, and the 70-200 2.8 L, they don't even give you a faster aperture.

The 28-300, who cares? It was a big improvement on its predecessor, the 35-350, but superzooms are really not what the L's are about, paparazzi don't care for corner sharpness, and news/event shooters don't care about resolution.

70-200 f4, bargain entry into L's, no movement for a price rise in that one.

Some of the others, the 14-24 f2.8, the 45 and 90 TS-E's I am looking forwards to.

yeah I doubt a 1200mm, at least not unless it is some new type of lens,  DO at the least

the 135mm I'd bet WILL get updated though



I'd much rather prefer an 85 f/2 IS.
Or any 85 without CA sharp wide open and not costing an arm and a leg.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #99 on: May 13, 2014, 03:14:49 AM »
interesting..
as a 7D shooter they are both appealing to me, price isn't bad either.
I'm not complaining, I will get the 10-18 just because of the price for landscapes, the 16-35 as a standard zoom. I more am thinking about the reasoning for the introduction now..
Are these possible kit lenses?  Is Canon interested in getting these out of the way for an introduction of one or two new APS-c cameras later (7dmkII and/or an addition to the xxx or xxxx series?)
The 16-35 is too wide for a FF kit, but for a 7D mkII it'd be perfect in my opinion. WA to normal focal length.
the 10-18 could easily be packed with a 18-55 into a dual lens uwa to short tele kit. (or tack on a 55-250 STM you'd have a complete kit that might be interesting to people with video aspirations, stabilized; from UWA to a decent telephoto, silent AF all the way..
Also on my mind, reading this and other sites have been the murmuring of significantly enhanced video features of a 7DmkII, the 10-18 would complement these rumors.)
(I don't care much for the video features though, but others do..)

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2014, 03:31:40 AM »
yeah I doubt a 1200mm, at least not unless it is some new type of lens,  DO at the least

the 135mm I'd bet WILL get updated though

So, what reasons do you have that you assumed the 135mm will get updated?

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #101 on: May 13, 2014, 03:40:02 AM »
yeah I doubt a 1200mm, at least not unless it is some new type of lens,  DO at the least

the 135mm I'd bet WILL get updated though

So, what reasons do you have that you assumed the 135mm will get updated?
I'd say the 135 is a staple lens, one aimed squarely (but not solely) on portraiture, thus a key lens appealing to a wide audience of professionals and advanced amateurs.

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2014, 04:12:04 AM »
MTF looks nice but when will they update these older L lenses?

1998 - EF 35mm f/1.4L USM
2004 - EF28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM
1996 - EF 135mm f/2L USM
1998 - EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM
1995 - EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM   
1996 - EF180mm f/3.5L Macro USM
1997 - EF300mm f/4L IS USM
1993 - EF 400mm f/5.6L USM
1993 - EF 1200mm f/5.6L USM   
1996 - EF200mm f/2.8L II USM
1999 - EF 70-200mm f/4L USM

The EF 16-35 f/4L IS supplants the 2003 - EF17-40mm f/4L USM.

Where is the EF 14-24mm f/2.8L USM that rivals Nikons or an L version of  TS-E45mm f/2.8 & TS-E90mm f/2.8?

In one way they already updated the 70-200s on this list when they added IS to them  ;)

The 1200mm was a one off, highly specialized, rare and expensive beast, you can't really put that one on the list since no one is expecting it to be updated. (Are they??)

The 200mm f/2.8 is rarely talked about, I guess they could stick IS in there and improve the optics but then you might as well just buy the excellent 70-200LII.

I agree with the rest though. That updated 100-400 was promised to us "after the 200-400 starts shipping in decent numbers." So that was just BS?   :o

I think the 28-300L isn't going to be replaced.
Why do you think the 300 f4IS needs replacing?

I also don't see the 35L being replaced soon. Later it will have amazing IQ, nine curved blades, weather sealing, and cost north of $ 2k.

I don't think the 300 f/4 needs replaced right now I was just eliminating the ones that probably won't ever be replaced. Maybe at some point in the future we'll see a refresh to the 35 1.4 too. I don't know much about the 28-300L but you're probably right about that one.

So that long list is really just down to the 100-400, 180 macro and 400 5.6 replacements that are overdue then.
Move along nothing to see here!

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #102 on: May 13, 2014, 04:12:04 AM »

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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #103 on: May 13, 2014, 04:18:09 AM »
This is good news and pricing ($1199 for L & $299 for EF-S version) is excellent ... I'm guessing the competitive pricing had a lot to do with the recent third party lenses that are being sold/announced at very affordable prices. Good times!
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2014, 04:22:50 AM »
Wow... I really don't get Canon's pricing, especially at today's exchange rates.

The EF 16-35L F4 is $1550 USD here in Japan
and the EF-S is $460

America will remain the cheapest place to get lenses.
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Re: Images of the New EF 16-35 f/4L IS & EF-S 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« Reply #104 on: May 13, 2014, 04:22:50 AM »