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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2014, 03:47:52 PM »
Some things are worth it, some people just want over-'shopped photos out of a higher-end camera.

Lots of things separate a pro from an amateur.  As Neuro said, bunnies?

I've stopped doing my own formals of my kid because it drives me up the wall when he 'poses' and gives that wooden smile and I can't not start raising my voice.  This is why I only do candids (which I'm decent at). 

I'm no child portrait photographer . . . and it shows.

Local studio my mom 'sneaked' my son into and got great shots.  LifeTouch does school pictures and I get that stupid wooden grin like the person said to "SAY CHEESE" and his dress shirt isn't touched in.
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2014, 03:47:52 PM »

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2014, 11:21:12 AM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?


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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2014, 11:31:27 AM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

Have you ever looked at 100-year old baby pictures of your ancestors?  Did it bother you that the quality was crap?  Memory photos need to be just good enough to evoke memories, nothing more.  A low-quality photo with a smiling kid is better than a high-quality photo with a wooden smile or worse.

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2014, 11:35:41 AM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

It sounds like a good value... I know people resisted grabbing market share, but you have to get people in the door before you can sell to them.
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2014, 11:50:33 AM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

It sounds like a good value... I know people resisted grabbing market share, but you have to get people in the door before you can sell to them.

I agree mate, but the quality of the pics is awful - SOC and not even a levels adjust on them.
I actually thought they were taken on a (poor) mobile phone.

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2014, 11:58:25 AM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

It sounds like a good value... I know people resisted grabbing market share, but you have to get people in the door before you can sell to them.

I agree mate, but the quality of the pics is awful - SOC and not even a levels adjust on them.
I actually thought they were taken on a (poor) mobile phone.

That speaks more of the clients than of the photographer.  Those clients were not going to hire you anyway.  Have you considered a "see the difference for yourself" campaign?  That would be side-by-side display of (1) good quality cell phone photo; (2) sooc jpeg using camera default settings; (3) your quality of work.   Anyone who can't see the difference wouldn't have been your client anyhow.

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2014, 11:58:51 AM »
Have you ever looked at 100-year old baby pictures of your ancestors?  Did it bother you that the quality was crap?  Memory photos need to be just good enough to evoke memories, nothing more.  A low-quality photo with a smiling kid is better than a high-quality photo with a wooden smile or worse.

An excellent point. Not every picture has to be "artistic".  Most people's family albums are filled with photographs that are good enough.  It is the memory and the emotion of the moment that is important.

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2014, 11:58:51 AM »

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2014, 12:46:56 PM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

It sounds like a good value... I know people resisted grabbing market share, but you have to get people in the door before you can sell to them.

I agree mate, but the quality of the pics is awful - SOC and not even a levels adjust on them.
I actually thought they were taken on a (poor) mobile phone.

That speaks more of the clients than of the photographer.  Those clients were not going to hire you anyway.  Have you considered a "see the difference for yourself" campaign?  That would be side-by-side display of (1) good quality cell phone photo; (2) sooc jpeg using camera default settings; (3) your quality of work.   Anyone who can't see the difference wouldn't have been your client anyhow.

Thats a great idea my friend :)

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
I've got another one next to me now doing 4 baby "Watch me grow" shoots with 4 shots printed out per shoot, an album at the end and all of the pics on a CD for £200 (about $335).

Quality of the pics are crap but people are booking her - is our art dead?

It sounds like a good value... I know people resisted grabbing market share, but you have to get people in the door before you can sell to them.

I agree mate, but the quality of the pics is awful - SOC and not even a levels adjust on them.
I actually thought they were taken on a (poor) mobile phone.

That speaks more of the clients than of the photographer.  Those clients were not going to hire you anyway.  Have you considered a "see the difference for yourself" campaign?  That would be side-by-side display of (1) good quality cell phone photo; (2) sooc jpeg using camera default settings; (3) your quality of work.   Anyone who can't see the difference wouldn't have been your client anyhow.

Thats a great idea my friend :)
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2014, 01:33:02 PM »
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Have you guys seen this? Crappy Vs Snappy: Photog Uses Side-by-Side Comparisons to Market His Skill
Excellent find.
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2014, 04:35:59 AM »
and then you get articles like this one....

'And there we have it! The technique is similar to that used by professional photographers, so you’re basically a professional photographer now.'

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/how-to-take-an-incredible-iphone-photo-in-the-dark/story-fn6vihic-1226950214904

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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2014, 10:17:12 AM »
and then you get articles like this one....

'And there we have it! The technique is similar to that used by professional photographers, so you’re basically a professional photographer now.'

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/how-to-take-an-incredible-iphone-photo-in-the-dark/story-fn6vihic-1226950214904

 ::)
I'm confused - the wisest CEO of them all, Marissa Mayer of Yahoo, has already said, "[T]here’s really no such thing as professional photographers anymore."  Why would someone want to emulate the dead? ;)
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2014, 02:56:28 AM »
and then you get articles like this one....

'And there we have it! The technique is similar to that used by professional photographers, so you’re basically a professional photographer now.'

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/how-to-take-an-incredible-iphone-photo-in-the-dark/story-fn6vihic-1226950214904

 ::)

I've actually thought a cool app would be one that changes the colour of the light to correctly balanced colours for CTO plus or minus green etc so you could actually use your phone light as a continuous source for taking shots in low light
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2014, 09:21:30 AM »
Bring out your dead!
and then you get articles like this one....

'And there we have it! The technique is similar to that used by professional photographers, so you’re basically a professional photographer now.'

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/how-to-take-an-incredible-iphone-photo-in-the-dark/story-fn6vihic-1226950214904

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I'm confused - the wisest CEO of them all, Marissa Mayer of Yahoo, has already said, "[T]here’s really no such thing as professional photographers anymore."  Why would someone want to emulate the dead? ;)
Ahm not dead yet!
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2014, 10:53:23 AM »
Bring out your dead!
and then you get articles like this one....

'And there we have it! The technique is similar to that used by professional photographers, so you’re basically a professional photographer now.'

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/how-to-take-an-incredible-iphone-photo-in-the-dark/story-fn6vihic-1226950214904

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I'm confused - the wisest CEO of them all, Marissa Mayer of Yahoo, has already said, "[T]here’s really no such thing as professional photographers anymore."  Why would someone want to emulate the dead? ;)
Ahm not dead yet!

I've seen so much bad photography... in my own collection from a few years ago.  And that is when people were saying I was doing a great job... so ignorance and politeness lead to this inflated valuation of amatuerism. 
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Re: Trying to start a Photography Business but surrounded by amateurs!
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2014, 10:53:23 AM »