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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 01:36:51 AM »
Releasing an EOS 650D 25 years after the EOS 650? Quite believable, I say.

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 02:03:43 AM »
A very believable rumor, Sony has been outinnovating them for a while now and if it's costing them sales they surely aren't going to take it lying down. Digic V with better video is almost certain (I hope they get rid of the moire and increase detail before they try and get any bright ideas about 1080/60p; given the 1Dx's specs I'd say that's probably reasonable to assume). It would be nice to see built-in HDR but Canon seems hell-bent on making you do it by hand (which is sooo five years ago).

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 02:09:43 AM »
I'd be voting for a 650D, same 18MP sensor, maybe a digic5 to make upgrading worthwhile. I don't think there's anyone I know who's "upgraded" from a 550 to 600, but seeing as canon call the shots they can just discontinue the 550D, and then users upgrading from P&S or 1000D can choose the 600/650.

7D2 will almost definitely hve a new sensor, what it is i don't know. Either 18MP with a lot higher IQ than currently (larger pixels a la 1dx), or the same IQ-per-pixel as the current 7D with more of them (keeping pixel-size the same and fitting more in the same space). If it's 24mp or more current-7D-owners might upgrade, but either option would be a nice upgrade for 60D/xxxD-owners. Keep the rest of the features the same, there's nothing wrong with it.

I still think that there'll be another wildlifing body out to replace the 1D4, whether it's what the 1D5 should have been (18-21mp aps-h, same af, same body, 8-10fps), or it could be a high-mp aps-c (21-30, same af, same body, 8-10fps) for somewhere between 5D2 and 1D4 price.

But not yet, feb will be a 650D. (if there's a lens, please please please EFs 35/1.4)
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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 02:39:57 AM »
A very believable rumor, Sony has been outinnovating them for a while now and if it's costing them sales they surely aren't going to take it lying down. Digic V with better video is almost certain (I hope they get rid of the moire and increase detail before they try and get any bright ideas about 1080/60p; given the 1Dx's specs I'd say that's probably reasonable to assume). It would be nice to see built-in HDR but Canon seems hell-bent on making you do it by hand (which is sooo five years ago).

I agree on paper Sony may have the upper hand but in practice the A77 is way too noisy compared to the 7D, K-5 or D7000 which are relatively close with each other.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/page14.asp

Just look at the RAW there is very visible noise even at 400 ISO

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2011, 02:57:42 AM »
We will know in 2012 how well Sony really performed in 2011. FWIW, folks predicted Canon would do poorly in terms of market shares during 2010... but the truth just went the other way. Nikon's V1/J1 (not affected by the Thai floods since these are made in China) are not faring well in Japan, quite a surprise since small stuff are quite popular in Japan. I predict Canon will once again rule the 2011 market shares chart when the final numbers are released next year.

Personally, I am only interested in how well the new Canon 18 MP APS-C sensor performs. :)

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2011, 03:41:47 AM »
lots and lots coming from all the manufacturers at the mo...  very exciting...

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 08:59:17 AM »

7D2 will almost definitely hve a new sensor, what it is i don't know. Either 18MP with a lot higher IQ than currently (larger pixels a la 1dx), or the same IQ-per-pixel as the current 7D with more of them (keeping pixel-size the same and fitting more in the same space). If it's 24mp or more current-7D-owners might upgrade, but either option would be a nice upgrade for 60D/xxxD-owners. Keep the rest of the features the same, there's nothing wrong with it.


There are a lot of confusing things in that paragraph. How can the pixel size be kept the same and more of them be put on a APS-C? I'm sure that isn't exactly what you meant.

For me personally the more MP jump Canon makes with a 7DII the less likely I'd upgrade. I'd really like to see a MP drop in the replacement. But honestly, I'm not interested in a 7D II anyway so I'm probably a terrible sample.
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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2011, 08:59:17 AM »

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2011, 09:26:16 AM »
I'll wager that less than 1% of the people that own cameras with micro-focus adjustment have actually used it and fewer still people use it properly.

To complete the package, the camera should do the adjustment itself, as somebody mentioned here or in another forum, you can use one AF method to calibrate the other, it's just a bit of software that is missing.

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2011, 09:33:27 AM »
Definitely muddies the water a bit.  I would like to jump up from my T2i, and have been on the 7D or 5DmkII fence for a bit.  While I love more MP, if the camera is the 7DMKII and it is still 18MP, then I think for me to jump, it would have to have better ISO, be faster (close to 10fps), and I would like them to step up and offer more in terms of their already solid focus.  They give me Stellar IQ in a APS-C body that lets me shoot solid fashion work but also performs for sports, then it fits my need as an all around. 

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2011, 09:35:38 AM »
If Canon was smart they would outfit the 7Dii with a sensor with the same philosophy as the 1Dx... lower mp count with larger pixels!  ;D

No, that would be suicide! 7D users LIKE having it as a crop sensor camera, and have built their lens line-up (several thousands of dollars of glass, usually) around that line-up.

As has been iterated many times, it would be a HUGE loss of focal length, and would frustrate me hugely!

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2011, 09:43:42 AM »
I don't think he means bigger sensor, just APS-C with 14 or 16 Mpix

also: the A77 doesn't fare any worse than a 7D in terms of noise per image (which is the relevant metric); but, being more modern, it could do better, like the NEX-5N for example
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/734%7C0/(brand)/Sony/(appareil2)/737%7C0/(brand2)/Sony/(appareil3)/692%7C0/(brand3)/Canon

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I don't use autofocus (all my lenses are vintage manual) but for anybody that does (and uses lenses faster than f/3.5) I'd never recommend a camera without microadjustment, it is a big, big flaw that the 60D didn't have this (whereas the 50D did)
but it seems to be a marketing decision in order to separate semipro from amateur cameras, so I wouldn't bet on a T4i with microadjustment
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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2011, 10:32:24 AM »
i just hope that Canon will bring Video continuous AF on the T4i, since the majority of the buyer are family picture/video oriented. (as in shooting video for children)

if not, I will wait for the A55 replacement, the A65/77 is too noisy

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2011, 11:34:25 AM »
over the T2i, the T3i had wireless flash triggering, articulated LCD screen, creative filters, manual audio control and digital zoom while filming.

other than Digic V what's going to be the draw for consumers to pick the T4i over the T3i? Built-in GPS? D7000-style AF during video? Touchscreen?

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2011, 11:34:25 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2011, 11:49:24 AM »
I can pay $600 for a Sony NEX-5 with APS-C sensor including a kit lens.  (599.99 with rebate and free shipping -- B&H 11/08/11).

$600 is the usual price point for the G-series camera, roughly.   For $600, do I want a 1/1.7 camera when I can get a slightly larger but still compact full aps-c camera for the same price?   Tough sell.

To compete effectively, I think the G-series has got to be larger sensor, hopefully full APS-C, even if it is still not an interchangeable lens camera.   I wouldn't be surprised to see the G-"Next" as non-interchangeable APS-C this spring, (hopefully with a nice reasonably fast 24-1nn IS lens) and the interchangeable lens non-mirror system at the end of the summer.   Hopefully all APS-C.

Another poster in this thread speculated that Canon is stupid.  ...I don't think Canon is stupid.   The question is, does Canon think we are stupid?   I don't think so.   That Canon skipped producing a G13 with a 1/1.7 sensor suggests that Canon respects the intelligence of its customers.

Now another major camera company producing a small-sensor interchangeable lens non-mirror camera with a tiny sensor and expecting us to buy it because of cute ads with Ashton Kutchner.... not so much.

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2011, 11:57:13 AM »
18mp? Canon has really limited themselves with the 1DX. Can they get away with putting more mp in a crop body than they have in their flagship? Sony has a cropped 24mp camera, so they can't compete with it without making the 1DX look as though it's lacking something.
If they aren't going to go over 18mp, then what does that mean for the 7D and 60D that are already at 18mp? They would have to have some additions that I can't even imagine to justify upgrading when the mp count stays the same.

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Re: New APS-C Camera in February?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2011, 11:57:13 AM »