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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2014, 05:56:59 PM »
here i was thinking i would solve my issue between buying a lens and waiting...

now after reading all your input i desperately want to buy a lens because i feel like i need it and my life will never be complete without it :D

the ugly truth though - i do not desperately NEED another lens... i got quite used to the 50mm and can make it work for most situations; but i also know i missed out on some great shots because i was not able to capture the whole scene or zoom in a bit more

whats worse, some of you vouched in for lenses i did not even consider at the very beginning for various reasons - the 2.8 II and the Tamron and you guys make valid points to an extent where i am actually starting to favour these 2 lenses over the 4 IS
tamron is cheaper and has the extra stop, but its a 3rd party lens
2.8 II is the ultimative lens, however no IS and super expensive

decisions decisions....
2.8 II for 1650
Tamron for 780
4 IS for 800

Let me simplify your choices a bit

2.8 II for 1650 used
Tamron for 1300 new
4 IS for 800 used

DO NOT THINK ABOUT BUYING THE TAMRON USED.  With 3rd party glass, buy new with the factory warranty.  It's so RISKY to buy used with all the bad Tamron/Sigma copies floating around.  I was in your boat and like to buy/sell lenses on Craigslist and the first Tamron I looked at was disappointingly soft at 2.8 and the second one the guy bought grey market so no warranty. 

Since you already have a fast 50L, stick to the f/4 IS.  If you didn't own any fast primes, I'd cough up the cash and get a 2.8 or 2.8 is.
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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2014, 05:56:59 PM »

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2014, 04:09:36 AM »
prices for the 2.8 II and 4 IS are in EUROs and for new lenses, not used ones  ;)
there is a cashback promotion in slovakia untill the end of june - that is why i joined the forum - to try to make up my mind untill then  ::)

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2014, 04:35:16 AM »
Ye I agree if you can find good copies they do exist. I don't know how but I have managed to get stellar copies of the 24-105 and 24-70 MKI got the 24-105 new with the 5dMKIII and bought the 24-70 second hand but a very late build date almost last batch, also barely used.

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2014, 04:36:30 AM »
I wouldn't call the 24-70mm a must have focal length. Its a useful length but not an exciting focal length.

+1 ... which makes is to hard for me to shell out €2000 for something I'm not really excited about, but alas, I have come to realize it's kind of a "must have" if you don't have the time to frame with primes.

The tammy is nice, but the bokeh imo isn't that attractive, it has the onion effect and seems like there is quite a lot of variation between copies but is significantly cheaper.

If you get an ok copy - which shouldn't be *that* hard if not mail-ordering and knowing what to look for - imho the "onion" bokeh isn't a show stopper, many lenses have it including my 100L macro which isn't known for sub-par iq. Speaking of copy variation: The 24-105 is said to have it, certainly the 24-70L1 (see lensrentals vs. L2).

In terms of image quality, the 24-105mm is the same or better than the 24-70mm, especially at the 50mm setting.

Ugh, thanks for pointing this out! tdp tested 3 copies and 2 are a complete catastrophe considering this is Canon's newest lens - the other one (link below) is only ok-ish.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=823&Camera=453&Sample=1&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=355&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2014, 04:50:21 AM »
prices for the 2.8 II and 4 IS are in EUROs and for new lenses, not used ones  ;)
there is a cashback promotion in slovakia untill the end of june - that is why i joined the forum - to try to make up my mind untill then  ::)

yes, that's how I happend to be owner of shiny new 70-200 mk II, I went to prolaika for some repair consultation and ended up 1800e lighter (after cashback)
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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2014, 06:24:41 AM »
I really liked the old mkI 24-70L for some of the reasons it was critisied for...unfortunatly by forum nerds and not real world users. The old mechanism was highly critisied becuase it was extended at the 24mm end, while at the 70mm the lens was at it's shortest. This had a number of excellent but unique features...firstly the huge and over sized hood worked really well at the long and short end. Most lenses, the hood only really works at the wide end and serves little purpose at the long end. Zoom burst shots were increadibly easy with this lens, pop the shutter on 1/6th second shoot and twist....easy. The changing balance of the lens actually helped this technique. The weather sealing was aided by the large hood and when on landcape workshops, other photographers who were using the 24-105 often commented how better the hood worked on my 24-70L.
The level of distortion at the 24mm end was very low for this type of lens. But the best feature was the as one got close to MFD at the 70mm end, the zoom breathing worked in reverse and added focal length as the focus got closer to MFD....which made it really cool for differential focussing and shallow depth of field techniques. When worked right, it was very easy to through the background out of focus by focussing on a detail which is close. For weddings, I could easily get by with most of a wedding using that one lens....that's versatility for you. Sure, there were sharper lenses available. But I've always found the mkI sharp enough, even withh 22mp.
The new mkII version has sacrificed all this for sharpness....and yes it's sharper, but that is all.   
Anyone here tried the Nikkor version on a D800...I've heard it aint that great. most of the rave reviews of the Nikkor 24-70 were mated to the D700, which was only a 12mp camera.

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2014, 06:35:27 AM »
I far prefer the results from a 35L and 95L combo...but unfortunatly it's not always versatile enough to shot with, so out comes the zoom instead. With a general purpose zoom, versatility is the key and that's what is their key feature. They perform a functional role....not an impressive role, although I've gotten some great results from my 24-70L. But it harder to get "art" out of it than say my primes or TS-e lenses.
I still think that the 24-105 IS L is a more versatile lens, it's a pity it's not rumoured for an update...It could do with it. A 24-105 and 100-400 make a fantastic 2 lens combo.

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2014, 06:37:15 AM »
GMCPhotographics - have to agree with everything you said. Reason I bought one and it was half the price, I find it perfectly sharp on my 5DIII, and always loved the lens hood design.
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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2014, 06:43:24 AM »
It will be a long wait!!!!!

Looks like Canon strategy is f2.8 non IS and  f4 IS  for both 16-35 and 24-70  L series lenses

2.8II is a great lens

+1, agree it may never come, don't wait to see the 24-70mm f2.8L IS. Buy either one and enjoy now.
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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2014, 08:05:35 AM »
seems like i will be selling the 100mm zeiss at a slight profit (bought it really cheap)

i hate to part with it (will miss that smooth zeissy feeling when focusing, the buttery bokeh and the extreme sharpness), but i have that area covered with the 70-200 4 IS (yeah... not THAT sharp but will do)

and with the extra cash i will just go ahead and buy the overpriced monster, from which my wannabe career will profit the most...

24-70 2.8 II
70-200 4 IS
50 1.2

seems like a nice universal setup...
should make me satisfied for some time i hope... although... i was pondering a decent tripod for a long time   ::) ;D

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Re: buy the 24-70 4 IS... or wait for the 2.8 IS?
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2014, 08:05:35 AM »