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Flake

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Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrome: please help!!!
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2011, 04:28:20 PM »
I'm going to suggest something which you haven't said you have, the Canon flash system.  Personally I'd reccomend you buy two 580EX IIs and the Yongnuo ST E2 remote.  Without a flash you can't over come daylight, you can't shoot backlit, and the 5D MkII doesn't have a pop up.

There are so many aspects to flash photography that it's almost a subject in itself, photography is all about light, you miss a whole load of opportunities if you can't control the light.  Oh & buy Syl Arenas book to go with it all.  Certainly a whole load cheaper than most lenses!

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Paolo

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« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2011, 05:22:35 PM »
Flake, I thought about a flash but i am not convinced. I tend to prefer natural light and i guess i need to learn how to take good photos with natural light before moving to a flash.
thanks for trying to broaden my disease though  :)



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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2011, 05:56:39 PM »
If you take pictures of people in less than perfect light, than a flash will help.  But, the flash system on the 5Dm2 is complex (you really have to try stuff to see how it turns out).

I have the 16-35 f/2.8 and it is my favorite lens for landscape photos.  The 17-40 would be good too (although I like the f/2.8 and faster 16-35 now that I have used it)

I haven't looked at your pictures yet, but I would recommend reading some books and getting some tips on different techniques.  A tripod might be a good investment or extension tubes.  Although I need to practice my macro skills a lot more...

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Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrome: please help!!!
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2011, 06:42:44 PM »

Rent some lenses and buy whichever you like. For a fast tele, I'd suggest Sigma 85mm f/1.4 or the 135mm f/2. You could try a wide angle zoom also. Rent a few and decide which one you want to buy.

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2011, 06:54:20 PM »
Hey Paolo, I have the same syndrome you have!  I think you could have a lot of fun with some fast prime lens.  Depending on your use, you might want to try out the 135L f2 or even the 85L 1.2 II depending on your budget.  The 135L can be a great walk around lens and it is not very heavy so that's a plus.

I completely here you wanting to expand your gears to shoot differently.  I spent the last year shooting only with a 50mm 1.2L and a 85mm 1.2L II and althought this helps get better with each lens, I had the same craving to try something else.  Since I love portraits I decided to add some longer focal lenght to the collection but I am also looking to add wider lens later (waiting for the 35mm 1.4L II hopefully!).

For the money, you cannot go wrong with a 135L f2.  If you are looking more for inside shooting, then you should consider the 85mm...finally, someone suggested you add some flash to your gears and I would also agree with that.  No need to become an expert with a flash to have fun with it.  If you do any shooting inside given you have 2 f4 zoom lens, I consider adding a flash a muct to increase your fun and fuel your addiction!  8)
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Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrome: please help!!!
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2011, 09:21:06 PM »
hello,

I saw you mentioned the 16-35 II. I have the first version and I am not happy with the quality in the edges and version II does not seem better in the edges in test sites too (for example photozone.de).
Also you mentioned walking in the city so how about a TS-E 24mm II or even the TS-E 17mm for something really wide? Such a lens wouldn't be useless even for traveling (for example if you visit archaeological places).

On the other side have you considered a 300mm f/4L IS ? You could be so kind and buy later a present for that lens: an EF1.4X III teleconverter  :)   

P.S I am not going to tell you about the Zeiss alternative... although their 21mm excels even in the edges....

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Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrome: please help!!!
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2011, 08:18:55 AM »
Thank you all, again.


JR, you say good things about the 135 but then you got the 85. How is it as walk around? I know it's heavy, but that's not a problem. Having the 70-200 f4 i am afraid that the 135 would not give me that big advantage (yes, f2 but with that focal length dof should be similar, and no IS...).


Elflord: renting might be a solution. I read somewhere of somebody that was buying a couple of lenses, trying them out and returning the one he did not like. That is also a nice move but charging a few thousand $ on my card (even for a few days) does not make me feel well...



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Re: Gear Acquisition Syndrome: please help!!!
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2011, 08:26:21 AM »
Thank you all, again.

JR, you say good things about the 135 but then you got the 85. How is it as walk around? I know it's heavy, but that's not a problem. Having the 70-200 f4 i am afraid that the 135 would not give me that big advantage (yes, f2 but with that focal length dof should be similar, and no IS...).


Up the iso and the shutter speed and forget the IS

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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2011, 11:00:51 AM »
 :)  I like Tron's idea for the Zeiss 21mm,  or the 24 TSE (although you're showing signs of wanting wider than 24mm)


GAS presents itself in a least two clinical forms;-

a)  the visual form, where general principle aims to increase the range of ways you can make pictures. 

Healthy GAS manifests by looking at pics and thinking, "I wish... it was closer / wider / better lit / more dramatic / ...

Think about where there's a limit and then push it.  Which limits interest you? bright? dark? big? small? fast? slow? hot? cold? steep? deep? crowded? empty?       

Combining photography with something else is rewarding, I mixed photography with abseiling.  That was a lot of fun, Could do plant macrophotography already, but doing it on a rock wall was something else.

What about an external battery pack so you can keep going into the minus temperatures?

Or how about an underwater housing?  for the 5D if you're feeling brave, a used one for the 40D otherwise.   I found a couple of Nikonos V worked wonders and opened up a whole new class of deeply satisfying gadgets too. 

Then, when you find which limit to push, the more specialised gear will suggest itself.

b)  The other sort of GAS is the tactile form.

This is the more insidious version and is only satiated by many hours spent handling the finest precision engineering achievable with known technologies; ideally metal, smooth and with every movement beautifully damped.  This gets financially dangerous and is a fundamental design parameter of cine equipment.   As I'm not sure which GAS type you are, a Zeiss product would probably satisfy either.
 


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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2011, 11:45:07 AM »
When you visualize a picture that you really want to get, but can't because getting it requires equipment that you don't own, then it isn't gear acquisition syndrome when you buy that equipment. This isn't guaranteed to slow down your purchasing rate, but it'll make it marginally more rational. I own 17 lenses, which sounds excessive, but I can tell the specific photographic problem that each one solved.

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2011, 01:15:32 PM »
Flake, I thought about a flash but i am not convinced. I tend to prefer natural light and i guess i need to learn how to take good photos with natural light before moving to a flash.

I'll second the flash idea.  Natural light is great, and I prefer it too.  But very dim light is 'natural' and not conducive to good indoor shots.  Likewise, outdoor shots in daytime can often benefit from a subtle fill light, from a diffused flash.  The point is to learn to control the light.  Note that it doesn't have to be a flash - if you're shooting outdoors, consider a reflector to fill in the shadows.

JR, you say good things about the 135 but then you got the 85. How is it as walk around? I know it's heavy, but that's not a problem.

I don't care for my 85mm f/1.2L II as a walkaround lens.  The weight isn't the issue, for me it's the slow AF on the 85L.  Fine for portraits, not so good for everyday shooting. 

Having the 70-200 f4 i am afraid that the 135 would not give me that big advantage (yes, f2 but with that focal length dof should be similar, and no IS...).

Not even close.  Aperture controls DoF, for all practical purposes.  There's a big difference between f/4 and f/2. For example, 135mm f/4 at 3 m has a DoF of 11 cm, while 135mm f/2 at 3 m has a DoF of 6 cm, a little more than half the depth of f/4. 

Elflord: renting might be a solution.

I think that if you need a lens for a specific, short-term purpose, e.g. a supertele for a safari, renting makes sense.  I'm not a fan of renting a lens just to try it out - IMO, it's a waste of money that could otherwise be put toward purchase.  If I'm not sure about a choice, I buy used at a low enough price that I can re-sell with no loss.  That requires some patience, but that's fine - because that's only for 'wants', since if it's a need, you know what that is and you just buy it new. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2011, 02:26:17 PM »
Paolo, the 85mm is ok for a walk around and certainly can do the job (I use it from time to time), but as Neuro pointed out because its AF is not the fastest, I find the 135L f2 to be a better choice, and its a bit lighter which is always a plus for me anyway.

It is true that your 70-200 f4 has similar weight and can serve you well to walk around,but the 135 is a very different beast and am sure you would find it different from your zoom.  The f2 for me does make a big difference and the DoF result are amazing...
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2011, 04:11:19 PM »
Zeiss sounds like a good prescription for my problems but I am concerned about manual focus. I could try switch off AF on what I have and see out it goes.


Otherwise, it seems that 85 1.2 is not the best for walkaround due to slow af. So, since i don't make money shooting  portraits (for what it matters, not even shooting anything else), it's probably not the best option for me. 85 1.8, maybe. 135 f2 could be a good....or, again, go wider with 16-35. eh.... :-\


Thank you all!



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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2011, 08:21:15 PM »
Zeiss sounds like a good prescription for my problems but I am concerned about manual focus. I could try switch off AF on what I have and see out it goes.

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Switch off AF on a af camera with AF lens witll not give you the same feel as using manual focusing lens. The focusing adjustment is too gross on the AF lens.

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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2011, 09:39:51 PM »
The AF on the 85mm f/1.2 L II really isn't that slow (it's significantly faster than the mark I version). Unless you are shooting kids or sports or something else fast moving, I don't really the the AF would be a problem.

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