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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 11:24:37 AM »
If this is in a 1D body with built in battery grip, I can see a lot of enthusiasts disappointed. When the 80D or 90D comes out, they'll say that is what the 7D2 should have been.

Oops! You beat me for a couple of minutes... As you said, I would have been disappointed in the past, but honestly I must say I'm changing my mind as time passes, despite what I had said in prevous discussions. Anyway, the assumptive departure of the mode dial only suggests a higher chance for an integrated battery grip, I can't think of a valid reason for a non-gripped body not to sport an EOS 1-type top plate.

Pop-up flash: I like, IR flash triggering should be there in this case, but radio? Having both options would be really great.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2014, 11:24:37 AM »

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2014, 11:26:17 AM »
If this is in a 1D body with built in battery grip, I can see a lot of enthusiasts disappointed. When the 80D or 90D comes out, they'll say that is what the 7D2 should have been.

Agreed, I don't want the weight or size of a 1D size body. 

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2014, 11:32:53 AM »
If they are going to use a pro style (and size) body, I'd have preferred that they keep the 1.3x size sensor of the 1DM4.  To me it was always a good compromise; i.e., a 300mm because a 400mm (OK 390) so just enough boost in mm but I could still get decent wide angle with standard L lenses plus marginally better IQ for the same MP of the smaller sensor.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2014, 11:33:06 AM »
EOS-1 style top plate, which means no mode dial.
Pop-up flash, even with the new style top plate.

The mentioned combination seems ridiculous at least.

So they add a "pro" feature while at the same time they add a highly "amateurish"  one.

This must be COMPLETE BS!!!!! What is that a Frankenstein camera ?  ;D ;D ;D

That or someone at Canon is really sick... ::)


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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2014, 11:34:42 AM »
Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Hope it's not a big body like 1DX, but will stay similar sized to 7D or 5D cameras. It would be a little strange to me to change the body size. Target audience will be a little bit different then, maybe. I wouldn't buy it, if this would happen, anyway :P

I want something bigger then 70D (I don't like the controls on that one, I want the joystick and the thumbwheel), but smaller than a pro body. Well, the size can be like the 70D, as long as it will have the 7D controls. If they move to pro body size, I hope the 80D will get the better 7D controls.

Seems I will be keeping the 7D a lot longer, if this turns out to be true. Or I might even switch to a 5D3 later on.

For me button system works fine. I also believe it makes it better weather proofed.

I would be delighted if it were the big body with the assumption that big bodies give the camera all the power and IQ it needs.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2014, 11:41:30 AM »
Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Hope it's not a big body like 1DX, but will stay similar sized to 7D or 5D cameras. It would be a little strange to me to change the body size. Target audience will be a little bit different then, maybe. I wouldn't buy it, if this would happen, anyway :P

I want something bigger then 70D (I don't like the controls on that one, I want the joystick and the thumbwheel), but smaller than a pro body. Well, the size can be like the 70D, as long as it will have the 7D controls. If they move to pro body size, I hope the 80D will get the better 7D controls.

Seems I will be keeping the 7D a lot longer, if this turns out to be true. Or I might even switch to a 5D3 later on.

For me button system works fine. I also believe it makes it better weather proofed.

I would be delighted if it were the big body with the assumption that big bodies give the camera all the power and IQ it needs.

I cannot see how the body size has any effect on the IQ but does the bigger battery allow the larger telephoto lenses to move faster?  Would a battery grip have the same effect?

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2014, 11:45:49 AM »
Perhaps they'll go retro and replace the mode dial with a shutter speed dial. :)

Can someone familiar with the 1D explain how the button works? I assume you cycle through the various modes by pushing the button. If that's the case, doesn't sound like a big deal to me, but as I've never used a 1D I don't know.

I hope everyone keeps in mind that this is a CR1 rumor before getting all worked up. Just a few more weeks. Let's wait and see.
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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2014, 11:45:49 AM »

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2014, 11:51:36 AM »
I like the idea of a 1D style top plate. I rarely change out of M mode and if I do it's to Av or Tv.

Also I think it would be cool to offer an option of two body styles. One vertically integrated grip and one without.  That way both camps of people would be satisfied.  I personally would very much like an integrated vertical grip after having the chance to play around with a 1DX recently.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2014, 11:52:54 AM »
Us pros typically shoot in one of three modes.  Manual, TV, or AV.  We don't change these often, and many of us, me included, never change our mode.  I always use manual.  No point having a giant dial on the camera when most of your users will barely ever, or ever, use it.  Much easier to implement a button system at that point.  It's all about the economics of scale.
I'd agree with you, if it weren't for the gigantic extra grip under the camera. The tiny mode dial is the least of your worries :P. That the buttons are easier to weatherseal, that makes sense, maybe.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2014, 11:54:35 AM »
Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Hope it's not a big body like 1DX, but will stay similar sized to 7D or 5D cameras. It would be a little strange to me to change the body size. Target audience will be a little bit different then, maybe. I wouldn't buy it, if this would happen, anyway :P

I want something bigger then 70D (I don't like the controls on that one, I want the joystick and the thumbwheel), but smaller than a pro body. Well, the size can be like the 70D, as long as it will have the 7D controls. If they move to pro body size, I hope the 80D will get the better 7D controls.

Seems I will be keeping the 7D a lot longer, if this turns out to be true. Or I might even switch to a 5D3 later on.

For me button system works fine. I also believe it makes it better weather proofed.

I would be delighted if it were the big body with the assumption that big bodies give the camera all the power and IQ it needs.

I cannot see how the body size has any effect on the IQ but does the bigger battery allow the larger telephoto lenses to move faster?  Would a battery grip have the same effect?

I THINK that larger body size is not just the added battery.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2014, 11:55:45 AM »
Perhaps they'll go retro and replace the mode dial with a shutter speed dial. :)

Can someone familiar with the 1D explain how the button works? I assume you cycle through the various modes by pushing the button. If that's the case, doesn't sound like a big deal to me, but as I've never used a 1D I don't know.

I hope everyone keeps in mind that this is a CR1 rumor before getting all worked up. Just a few more weeks. Let's wait and see.

You are right in your assumptions…. :)

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2014, 11:55:59 AM »
Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Its a way to improve moisture resistance, and much faster to use, at least it was on my 1 series cameras.  Having to hold down a button while you rotate a dial is cumbersome, you have to look at it to set it in the right position, and the plate on the dial is not reliable either.
 
A Pop up flash seems to retain a moisture leak issue, so that is strange.
This type of arrangement is obviously not for those that want all the built-in modes of a digital rebel, its not aimed at Rebel Users.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2014, 12:00:26 PM »
Can somebody explain to me HOW lack of a mode dial is a good thing? I've never really understood the button system on the 1D line. To me it seems to be a lot slower to switch modes like this.

Its a way to improve moisture resistance, and much faster to use, at least it was on my 1 series cameras.  Having to hold down a button while you rotate a dial is cumbersome, you have to look at it to set it in the right position, and the plate on the dial is not reliable either.
 
A Pop up flash seems to retain a moisture leak issue, so that is strange.
This type of arrangement is obviously not for those that want all the built-in modes of a digital rebel, its not aimed at Rebel Users.
You really don't have to look at it to use it, that's one of the nice things. It clicks, so you can just count / feel the amount of clicks to know which mode you're in.

Both options are workable, I'd just prefer the mode dial.

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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2014, 12:00:26 PM »

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2014, 12:09:05 PM »
Pop up flash means they did not drop the old remote flash system, which is nice.
No mode dial sounds great, works for me on the 1 and 3.

If better weather sealing was the goal, maybe the pop-up flash doesn't even pop up?

Sounds like an interesting camera.

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Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2014, 12:19:40 PM »
Sounds like an EOS-3!!!
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