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In the October 2011 issue of popular photography on p. 65 it says:

"...Davises shot with a Canon EOS 1D Mark IV and 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II for an exposure that slighly underexposed the sunset beyond..."

To me this sounds very interesting - this could confirm the rumor that the new 24-70mm wil have IS?

Or could it just be a mistake?

Any thoughts?

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2011, 11:28:57 AM »
In the October 2011 issue of popular photography on p. 65 it says:

"...Davises shot with a Canon EOS 1D Mark IV and 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II for an exposure that slighly underexposed the sunset beyond..."

To me this sounds very interesting - this could confirm the rumor that the new 24-70mm wil have IS?

Or could it just be a mistake?

Any thoughts?

It's a goof/typo.  They meant either a 24-70mm f/2.8L or a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II. 

There cannot be a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II released any time soon (i.e. it's many years away).  Either they release a 24-70mm f/2.8L II (no IS, MkII version) or they release a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS (would be a MkI version, since there is no current 24-70 with IS). 
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2011, 11:35:41 AM »
In the October 2011 issue of popular photography on p. 65 it says:

"...Davises shot with a Canon EOS 1D Mark IV and 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II for an exposure that slighly underexposed the sunset beyond..."

To me this sounds very interesting - this could confirm the rumor that the new 24-70mm wil have IS?

Or could it just be a mistake?

Any thoughts?

It's a goof/typo.  They meant either a 24-70mm f/2.8L or a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II. 

There cannot be a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II released any time soon (i.e. it's many years away).  Either they release a 24-70mm f/2.8L II (no IS, MkII version) or they release a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS (would be a MkI version, since there is no current 24-70 with IS).
Good point!
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2011, 01:17:08 PM »
Maybe they did it on purpose to get free publicity in the rumor forum world...
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2011, 03:21:34 PM »
There cannot be a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II released any time soon (i.e. it's many years away).  Either they release a 24-70mm f/2.8L II (no IS, MkII version) or they release a 24-70mm f/2.8L IS (would be a MkI version, since there is no current 24-70 with IS).

Although I believe you are correct, I would not be quite as emphatic as you appear.  To me it's a little like saying there cannot be a 1DX because they haven't had V-IX yet.  I can certainly see someone in marketing deciding that it's a 24-70mm f/2.8L II and it includes IS, which would be a true statement (it is the second incarnation of the lens, but not the second incarnation of the lens with IS.) 

And yes, you could argue that that would have to be the "24-70mm f/2.8 II IS" instead of "24-70mm f/2.8 IS II".  But a) I'm not trying create an argument, and b) naming conventions are not subject to engineering standards of accuracy.

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2011, 04:08:12 PM »
I suppose the difference there is that while Canon is certainly free to do what they want, there's a difference between the naming conventions for bodies and the naming conventions for lenses.  Body names have regional specificity, and in the case of the 1D X, there is a logic in changing the convention (much like releasing the 7D), to signify the merging of the two 1-series sub-lines.  OTOH, the lens naming convention is quite well established.  Look at the 70-200mm series, the 75-300mm series, or the 18-55mm series.  An IS lens is a different lens, as is USM, as is the aperture value/range.  That's why the CR2 rumor on the 100-400mm indicates an EF 100-400mm f/4-5.6L IS, not a MkII version - the aperture range starts at 4, not 4.5, so it's a new lens, not a revision.  Could Canon change the convention?  Of course.  But it's unlikely...almost as unlikely as a print photograph being published with an unannounced lens. 
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 04:17:56 PM »
But isn't IS a feature as opposed to changing the aperature or focal length?  I dunno, maybe I'm just having a bad day at work and my subconscious is looking for an argument to distract me even though I say I'm not...

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 04:33:13 PM »
But isn't IS a feature as opposed to changing the aperature or focal length?  I dunno, maybe I'm just having a bad day at work and my subconscious is looking for an argument to distract me even though I say I'm not...

IS and USM are both features, but they change the name of the lens, not the version.  So we had a 70-200mm f/2.8L (1995) and a 70-200mm f/4L (1999).  Then there was a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS (2001) then a 70-200mm f/4L IS (2006), and most recently, a 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II (2010). 

Other examples are the super tele lenses, say the 400/2.8 lenses.  The first was the 400mm f/2.8L (1991), followed by the 400mm f/2.8L II (1996).  Then they added IS, but we didn't get a MkIII, we got a 400mm f/2.8L IS (1999).  Now, this year, we have a 400mm f/2.8L IS II (ok, I'm using 'have' metaphorically, since at $11500 a pop, not many of us actually have one...).

Or, look at the 75-300mm f/4-5.6 consumer zooms.  There are actually 7 versions - original, II and III, original USM, II USM, and III USM, and IS USM.

Bottom line, adding IS with no change in focal length or aperture still restarts the version numbering.
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 04:43:57 PM »
Alas, you are quite correct.  Thanks for the real-world examples!

Since I am here avoiding work anyway...are there any features like IS and USM that get added but do not result in a name change?  But versions of existing features like IS just roll into the lens version, right?  What I mean is if the "same" lens comes out with newer IS, the IS isn't given a version, just the lens?

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 05:42:36 PM »
Canon's naming scheme is very detail oriented. I had to flip back and forth between the product listing and yesterday's rumors piece to discover that the only naming difference between the existing 100-400L and the rumored 100-400L is minutia that the newer is 1/3 stop faster at the lower end of the zoom range, since all other specifications and features are identical, yet there was no "II" tacked onto the end.

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 04:19:09 AM »
Alas, you are quite correct.  Thanks for the real-world examples!

Since I am here avoiding work anyway...are there any features like IS and USM that get added but do not result in a name change?  But versions of existing features like IS just roll into the lens version, right?  What I mean is if the "same" lens comes out with newer IS, the IS isn't given a version, just the lens?

To the best of my knowledge Canon has not released a lens whose sole advantage over its predecessor was an improved IS system. On the other hand, there are a few lenses with unchanged optics between vI and vII (85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/2.8 ). In the latter case, only the lens hood was changed from a built-in variant to a standard bayonet-style hood.

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 06:32:07 AM »
maybe canon have decided to break the silly rule that putting IS in a lens makes it a different lens and therefore u cant call it mkII

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 07:03:26 AM »
Also bear in mind that CR Rumours has posted the patent for a new 24-70 2.8 L MkII only. There was no IS in the patent.

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 07:03:26 AM »

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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2011, 07:24:41 AM »
It would be cool though to get IS on the next version of the 24-70mm 2.8, no matter what it gets called, for video purposes.  That is my wish list for Xmas  :P
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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 07:51:36 AM »
Neuro is correct, of course, about the naming conventions and clearly it's a typo but there are other possibilities on what the typo is... for example the lens could be a "24-70mm f/2.8 IS" and the writer mistakenly added the "II".    Wouldn't that be the most likely mistake since many people, possibly even experienced photographers/writers, would not have the proper naming conventions top-of-mind?


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Re: Canon 24-70mm 2.8L IS II mentioned in an issue of popular photography
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