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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2014, 10:48:34 PM »
This does make me wonder what it would take in labor to get support for more camera bodies, lenses, etc... and whether a company could get help from the user community.  Plenty of us are in software, and many users would be very happy to create a lens profile to support their uncommon/outdated lens.  I think it would be cool to have community-constructed profiles for old FD glass, third-party lenses, etc... and be able to import them into DPP.

That would be a dream come true. I still use the 28-70mm 2.8L and the 80-200mm 2.8L lenses, as well as a Tokina UWA. I would love it if these lenses had supported profiles, but I know better than to get my hopes up about that. And perhaps you're right- maybe this split software will be a permanent thing. If they insist on keeping them split, I hope that they will keep updating version 3 for a while to come. But with a software split like this, it seems more likely that 3 will fall by the wayside and get neglected till they just scuttle it altogether.

Canon is one of the few companies I purchase from that has never given me any major causes for complaint, so I have been pretty loyal to them with my camera gear purchases. I think I've bought no less than 10 different digital cameras (SLRs and point-and-shoots) and 4 or 5 different lenses (three Ls) from them over the past 15 years so I have quite a few different file formats in my collection. While this is not yet a major deal, it's still a ding in their reputation with me and may make me rethink some of my purchases from them in the future.
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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #121 on: June 17, 2014, 10:59:41 PM »
Performance seems pretty good in the new version. That was one of my big pet peeves with the old version was if you opened a folder with 1000 photos it would just hang for like 30 seconds to a minute doing stuff. Now it's pretty much instantaneous. The actual exporting is actually a bit slower. I did 10 photos in the old version and it took 1:57. The new version took 2:21. I'm not seeing any differences in image quality but it's possible it's there. One big bummer is nothing as far as settings seems to transfer between the two. Not even simple things like exposure or check marks. It's hard for me to want to switch unless they at least put in support for the 5D mark II. But I'm glad to see they're at least moving in the right direction. Just needs a little more work hopefully.
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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #122 on: June 17, 2014, 11:57:44 PM »
Performance seems pretty good in the new version. That was one of my big pet peeves with the old version was if you opened a folder with 1000 photos it would just hang for like 30 seconds to a minute doing stuff. Now it's pretty much instantaneous. The actual exporting is actually a bit slower. I did 10 photos in the old version and it took 1:57. The new version took 2:21. I'm not seeing any differences in image quality but it's possible it's there. One big bummer is nothing as far as settings seems to transfer between the two. Not even simple things like exposure or check marks. It's hard for me to want to switch unless they at least put in support for the 5D mark II. But I'm glad to see they're at least moving in the right direction. Just needs a little more work hopefully.

Canon allows you to keep both 4.0 and 3.x of DPP on the same machine means your hope may not come true. It seems that the DPP team is developing the 4.x for the current full frame cameras while updating the 3.x for the rest and old cameras, till you move your BODY up for the 4.x features.
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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #123 on: June 18, 2014, 03:51:17 AM »
One big bummer is nothing as far as settings seems to transfer between the two. Not even simple things like exposure or check marks.

Are you saying that doing an edit in DPP3 (e.g. curves & WB edit, and star-rating) doesn't show in DPP4? :o
My edits are coming over fine  :)

For the DLO module, I wish they had the old 400mm f/2.8L IS USM in there too, like the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM.

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #124 on: June 18, 2014, 07:25:15 AM »
One big bummer is nothing as far as settings seems to transfer between the two. Not even simple things like exposure or check marks.

Are you saying that doing an edit in DPP3 (e.g. curves & WB edit, and star-rating) doesn't show in DPP4? :o
My edits are coming over fine  :)

For the DLO module, I wish they had the old 400mm f/2.8L IS USM in there too, like the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM.
Yeah, everything I've tried so far isn't coming through. Haven't tried star ratings or looking at my curves but simple stuff like color that are in the picture style aren't coming over. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but the Canon site does say recipes don't transfer between the two so I'm guessing that's where Canon is storing all that stuff in the file :(
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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #125 on: June 18, 2014, 08:10:22 AM »
Here's a follow up from my last email from Canon:
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Thank you for following up with us.

I understand your concerns, and cannot say with certainty how many more Operating systems will support DPP v3. I know there is a plan to have DPP v4 support more than the current 4 models, so it is likely your model will be supported by DPP v4 in the near future.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your EOS 7D. Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #126 on: June 18, 2014, 08:17:59 AM »
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As things stand one version is abandoned as soon as the next is released

Support for new camera's  is only included in the latest Camera RAW plug-in and Lightroom.  In my experience (from camera clubs etc) this is more that enough to convince the less knowledgeable that an upgrade of their product is required.  Continuing support for outdated software for a reasonable period of time would eliminate this issue
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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #126 on: June 18, 2014, 08:17:59 AM »

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« Reply #127 on: June 18, 2014, 08:43:04 AM »
downloaded yesterday from HK site. Nice new GUI and more sliders to play with. Still it is a very rudimental software, born at least 5/7 years old. The real big plus vs lightroom and similar is optimization of canon lenses

WHen compared to ver.3 I notice a much faster loading of the high resolution image, BUT, when playing with sliders, you have to wait AT LEAST 2/3 seconds to see the effect applied to the image (5D3 RAW files). Maybe this is only a realease candidate?

I have a fast machine (win7 3930k ssd lots of memory etc.) so this thing is a bit weird. Anyone experiencing the same?


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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #128 on: June 18, 2014, 08:53:41 AM »
downloaded yesterday from HK site. Nice new GUI and more sliders to play with. Still it is a very rudimental software, born at least 5/7 years old. The real big plus vs lightroom and similar is optimization of canon lenses

WHen compared to ver.3 I notice a much faster loading of the high resolution image, BUT, when playing with sliders, you have to wait AT LEAST 2/3 seconds to see the effect applied to the image (5D3 RAW files). Maybe this is only a realease candidate?

I have a fast machine (win7 3930k ssd lots of memory etc.) so this thing is a bit weird. Anyone experiencing the same?


Same here. (win 8.1, AMD FX 9590 (8-core), SSD, Radeon R9 200)

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #129 on: June 18, 2014, 08:55:43 AM »
An updated GUI?  Why, Canon, why?  I love the current DPP workflow and GUI...it makes me nostalgic for the ease of use of programs like Wordstar (Ctrl-K-K-Y to save), and the understated graphic elegance of games like Pong and Breakout.

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #130 on: June 18, 2014, 09:05:41 AM »
Here's a follow up from my last email from Canon:
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Thank you for following up with us.

I understand your concerns, and cannot say with certainty how many more Operating systems will support DPP v3. I know there is a plan to have DPP v4 support more than the current 4 models, so it is likely your model will be supported by DPP v4 in the near future.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your EOS 7D. Thank you for choosing Canon.

Sincerely,

You must've been a whole lot politer than me, because you got 2 responses, and I haven't even gotten one. That's great news that they will at some point include other models. Thanks for the update!

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #131 on: June 18, 2014, 09:06:30 AM »
Here's EOS Utility v3 (also installs v2 for older cameras), if the link hasn't been posted yet: http://support-hk.canon-asia.com/contents/HK/EN/0200373002.html

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« Reply #132 on: June 18, 2014, 11:09:17 AM »
WHen compared to ver.3 I notice a much faster loading of the high resolution image, BUT, when playing with sliders, you have to wait AT LEAST 2/3 seconds to see the effect applied to the image (5D3 RAW files). Maybe this is only a realease candidate?

I have a fast machine (win7 3930k ssd lots of memory etc.) so this thing is a bit weird. Anyone experiencing the same?

Also at my Machine - not the fastest Processor but all overall not a slow Computer
( Core2Duo @ 2x3.2ghz - 8GB of Ram and SSD as primary HD 660 NVidia GFX Win7x64 )

The Time for an HighQ Image to be clear seen ist shorter then the old DPP.
Some other Stuff works a bit slower.

But i am only an Hobbyist  ;D - not an Expert

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #132 on: June 18, 2014, 11:09:17 AM »

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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #133 on: June 18, 2014, 02:09:00 PM »
Performance seems pretty good in the new version. That was one of my big pet peeves with the old version was if you opened a folder with 1000 photos it would just hang for like 30 seconds to a minute doing stuff. Now it's pretty much instantaneous. The actual exporting is actually a bit slower. I did 10 photos in the old version and it took 1:57. The new version took 2:21. I'm not seeing any differences in image quality but it's possible it's there. One big bummer is nothing as far as settings seems to transfer between the two. Not even simple things like exposure or check marks. It's hard for me to want to switch unless they at least put in support for the 5D mark II. But I'm glad to see they're at least moving in the right direction. Just needs a little more work hopefully.

Canon allows you to keep both 4.0 and 3.x of DPP on the same machine means your hope may not come true. It seems that the DPP team is developing the 4.x for the current full frame cameras while updating the 3.x for the rest and old cameras, till you move your BODY up for the 4.x features.

Here's me hoping the Mk II will get supported in the next release ;) No way I'm getting a second Mk III body.
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Re: Canon to Release Major Updates to DPP & EOS Utility
« Reply #134 on: June 18, 2014, 02:37:56 PM »
downloaded yesterday from HK site. Nice new GUI and more sliders to play with. Still it is a very rudimental software, born at least 5/7 years old. The real big plus vs lightroom and similar is optimization of canon lenses

WHen compared to ver.3 I notice a much faster loading of the high resolution image, BUT, when playing with sliders, you have to wait AT LEAST 2/3 seconds to see the effect applied to the image (5D3 RAW files). Maybe this is only a realease candidate?

I have a fast machine (win7 3930k ssd lots of memory etc.) so this thing is a bit weird. Anyone experiencing the same?


Same here. (win 8.1, AMD FX 9590 (8-core), SSD, Radeon R9 200)

When used with my 5d3 files on my latest gen Mac, the sliders were pretty instantaneous... There was maybe a second to half a second delay rendering high res images, which was a big improvement... my lag time 2-3 seconds was switching from crop mode to other modes, or from dust removal mode to other modes... 
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« Reply #134 on: June 18, 2014, 02:37:56 PM »