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Re: EF-M 55-200 4.5-6.3 IS STM Coming Shortly
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2014, 05:06:44 PM »
Somewhat surprised by the f/6.3 aperture; I've not known any Canon to have a maximum aperture smaller than f/5.6, although the practice is not unusual among 3rd parties.

Live View AF works down to very narrow apertures, and that's the only kind of AF that the EOS M features.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2014, 05:06:44 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2014, 06:16:08 PM »
not interested in this lens but at least it seems thata canon does not think the M line is completely dead.  If a dual pixel M body comes out I hope I do not have to purchase it grey market.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2014, 07:54:03 PM »
Hmmm could be a nice little cheap tele option for when I'm using my wide angles out in the field. F/6.3 might be alright as long as we get f/5.6 up to around 150mm, the IS helps too I guess. I've been using an FD 100 f/2.8 with adapter but the IQ isn't that great. Was thinking about the 55-250 STM but this one might be just the ticket.

The 18-55 is dirt cheap these days, hope this one is priced somewhere in between that and the 11-22.
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Re: EF-M 55-200 4.5-6.3 IS STM Coming Shortly
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2014, 08:45:56 PM »
f/5.6 --> f/6.3 is 1/3 of a stop.  REALLY people?  You're going to ***** and moan about 1/3 of a stop?  Seriously?  OBVIOUSLY, the point of the M is to shrink things down as much as possible.  1/3 of a stop throughout the focal range is a "duh" kind of compromise.  As in... DUH... DO IT!  (when talking about mirrorless)

If I were heading up Canon USA and I KNEW an M with a DPAF sensor was coming, I'd hold off releasing this lens.  Then, when the new M with DPAF hits, I'd release it and I'd also release this lens and the 11-22.

Honestly, this lens, IMO, COMPLETES the M ecosystem (WITH a DPAF M) for the AVERAGE US consumer.

Of course, being able to add the EVF from the G1XII as well as a couple of small primes would help round things out for the rest of us.

This lens is almost EXACTLY what I was saying Canon should shoot for.  A small tele zoom, even with a limited range.  My suggestions were 55-150 or 75-150 and max aperture at f4 or f4.5.  As long as Canon prices this similarly to their other lenses MSRP (not the street price, the MSRP) then I think they have a winner!

Nice job Canon!

Here's a quick comparison to another well known, similarly spec'd lens...

Canon EF-M 55-200 IS STM f/4.5-6.3 vs Sony E-mount 55-210 f/4.5-6.3

Weight: 260 grams vs 345 grams
Length: 87mm vs 108mm
Focal range: 55-200 (88-320 FF equivalent) vs 55-210 (82.5-315 equivalent)
Aperture: f/4.5-6.3 vs f/4.5-6.3
So, the EF-M lens is 25% shorter and 20% lighter!  NICE!  The focal range is a tad longer (even worth mentioning the difference?) on both the wide and tele ends of the lens and the apertures are equal - the only difference may be where the actual max aperture stops are on the focal range - I would assume they're similar but possibly not.

Also, the EOS M is 298 grams and the EOS M2 is 274 grams.  This lens should balance VERY well on the M family!

The EF-S 55-250 STM is actually just a touch longer than the E mount Sony tele lens mentioned above (3 mm longer) and heavier (30 grams heavier).  But, if you're talking about mounting the EF-S 55-250 to the M, you obviously need the adapter as well.  You're adding an additional 28mm and 110 grams.  So, here's the final comparison...

EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM vs EF-S 55-250 f/4-5.6 IS STM + EF to EF-M adapter
Weight: 260 grams vs 485 grams
Length: 87mm vs 139mm
Focal range: 55-200 (88-320 FF equivalent) vs 55-250 (88-400 equivalent)
Aperture: f/4.5-6.3 vs f/4-5.6
So, the EF-M lens is 37% shorter and 43% lighter!  Obviously, the EF-M 55-200 is 1/3 of a stop slower at the wide and tele end and is slightly lacking in the "reach" department.  The diagonal angle of view at 320mm is 7.7 degrees and the diagonal angle of view at 400mm is 6.2 degrees.  So, 1.5 degrees.  Significant... but also NOT significant.

Hope this helps to put things into perspective for some who were over reacting...

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2014, 08:57:51 PM »
I think the new body it's referring to was the M2 announcement in December...

Not exactly, "...an EF-M 55-200 IS STM lens coming whenever a body is announced...", is it.  Maybe it's just a little late.

Oh well.  I can't see myself ever buying into the M system anyway.

If it only got a viewfinder and <$1k.

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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2014, 11:46:11 PM »
Ok i know i'm a little off topic - but how cool does that lens look 8).  I'd like to see a similar finish, darker black of course, to all their new lenses.

Anyone else like the cleaner look?
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Re: EF-M 55-200 4.5-6.3 IS STM Coming Shortly
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2014, 12:03:38 AM »
Nice.  This and the 22/2 as a walkaround M kit would work for me.

I am warming up to the M. I bought the EF-M 11-22 10 days ago, and I love it, it is so light and handy! Yesterday I went out with EF-M 11-22, 22 f/2, and 24-105 (with adapter), and the light weight is really nice. This 55-200 would eliminate the need for the 24-105 and make the M setup awesome for daytime walk around.

Now I'm hoping that Canon goes all-in with an M3 ... something that would challenge Sony's A7s in video (but APSC). Don't hold back, make it a real contender Canon!

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2014, 12:15:19 AM »
f/5.6 --> f/6.3 is 1/3 of a stop.  REALLY people?  You're going to ***** and moan about 1/3 of a stop?  Seriously?  OBVIOUSLY, the point of the M is to shrink things down as much as possible.  1/3 of a stop throughout the focal range is a "duh" kind of compromise.  As in... DUH... DO IT!  (when talking about mirrorless)

If I were heading up Canon USA and I KNEW an M with a DPAF sensor was coming, I'd hold off releasing this lens.  Then, when the new M with DPAF hits, I'd release it and I'd also release this lens and the 11-22.

Honestly, this lens, IMO, COMPLETES the M ecosystem (WITH a DPAF M) for the AVERAGE US consumer.

Of course, being able to add the EVF from the G1XII as well as a couple of small primes would help round things out for the rest of us.

This lens is almost EXACTLY what I was saying Canon should shoot for.  A small tele zoom, even with a limited range.  My suggestions were 55-150 or 75-150 and max aperture at f4 or f4.5.  As long as Canon prices this similarly to their other lenses MSRP (not the street price, the MSRP) then I think they have a winner!

Nice job Canon!

Here's a quick comparison to another well known, similarly spec'd lens...

Canon EF-M 55-200 IS STM f/4.5-6.3 vs Sony E-mount 55-210 f/4.5-6.3

Weight: 260 grams vs 345 grams
Length: 87mm vs 108mm
Focal range: 55-200 (88-320 FF equivalent) vs 55-210 (82.5-315 equivalent)
Aperture: f/4.5-6.3 vs f/4.5-6.3
So, the EF-M lens is 25% shorter and 20% lighter!  NICE!  The focal range is a tad longer (even worth mentioning the difference?) on both the wide and tele ends of the lens and the apertures are equal - the only difference may be where the actual max aperture stops are on the focal range - I would assume they're similar but possibly not.

Also, the EOS M is 298 grams and the EOS M2 is 274 grams.  This lens should balance VERY well on the M family!

The EF-S 55-250 STM is actually just a touch longer than the E mount Sony tele lens mentioned above (3 mm longer) and heavier (30 grams heavier).  But, if you're talking about mounting the EF-S 55-250 to the M, you obviously need the adapter as well.  You're adding an additional 28mm and 110 grams.  So, here's the final comparison...

EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM vs EF-S 55-250 f/4-5.6 IS STM + EF to EF-M adapter
Weight: 260 grams vs 485 grams
Length: 87mm vs 139mm
Focal range: 55-200 (88-320 FF equivalent) vs 55-250 (88-400 equivalent)
Aperture: f/4.5-6.3 vs f/4-5.6
So, the EF-M lens is 37% shorter and 43% lighter!  Obviously, the EF-M 55-200 is 1/3 of a stop slower at the wide and tele end and is slightly lacking in the "reach" department.  The diagonal angle of view at 320mm is 7.7 degrees and the diagonal angle of view at 400mm is 6.2 degrees.  So, 1.5 degrees.  Significant... but also NOT significant.

Hope this helps to put things into perspective for some who were over reacting...

nice work +1000
BTW did I mention how much I love my 11-22 EF-M ? :D
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Re: EF-M 55-200 4.5-6.3 IS STM Coming Shortly
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2014, 03:12:01 AM »
f/5.6 --> f/6.3 is 1/3 of a stop.  REALLY people?  You're going to ***** and moan about 1/3 of a stop?  Seriously?  OBVIOUSLY, the point of the M is to shrink things down as much as possible.  1/3 of a stop throughout the focal range is a "duh" kind of compromise.  As in... DUH... DO IT!  (when talking about mirrorless)

Yes, I do take issue with f/6.3 - beecause in practice it likely means T/7.9
Instead of filter thread 52mm, Canon shouild have made it f/5.6 and 55mm or f/4.0 and 58mm filter thread, even if that wozuld have meant 50 grams more or 100 grams more weight and 50 dollars or 100 dollars higher price. 


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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2014, 03:39:06 AM »
f/5.6 --> f/6.3 is 1/3 of a stop.  REALLY people?  You're going to ***** and moan about 1/3 of a stop?  Seriously?  OBVIOUSLY, the point of the M is to shrink things down as much as possible.  1/3 of a stop throughout the focal range is a "duh" kind of compromise.  As in... DUH... DO IT!  (when talking about mirrorless)

Yes, I do take issue with f/6.3 - beecause in practice it likely means T/7.9
Instead of filter thread 52mm, Canon shouild have made it f/5.6 and 55mm or f/4.0 and 58mm filter thread, even if that wozuld have meant 50 grams more or 100 grams more weight and 50 dollars or 100 dollars higher price.

Huh, lets say Canon did make it constant f/4, for about $50 more. Now there is less demand for the EFS 55-250 STM since its slower, bigger and costs about the same. From a marketing point of view that would seem counter productive, I think (I'm no expert!). Sure, it would attract more M users but more people already have a rebel or xxD model camera so you might not wanna irk them by giving the M users the good stuff, would you?

I think by keeping it small and light they've surely compromised but in a good way. I feel like this is what the M was made for. Small, light, compact. You'll not be shooting sports or tracking BIF with it but for a wee trip to the zoo with the kids it'll do just fine!
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Re: EF-M 55-200 4.5-6.3 IS STM Coming Shortly
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2014, 06:28:08 AM »
f/5.6 --> f/6.3 is 1/3 of a stop.  REALLY people?  You're going to ***** and moan about 1/3 of a stop?  Seriously?  OBVIOUSLY, the point of the M is to shrink things down as much as possible.  1/3 of a stop throughout the focal range is a "duh" kind of compromise.  As in... DUH... DO IT!  (when talking about mirrorless)

Yes, I do take issue with f/6.3 - beecause in practice it likely means T/7.9
Instead of filter thread 52mm, Canon shouild have made it f/5.6 and 55mm or f/4.0 and 58mm filter thread, even if that wozuld have meant 50 grams more or 100 grams more weight and 50 dollars or 100 dollars higher price.

Sony sells a BUTT LOAD of their similarly spec'd lens because it's a kit lens, bundled with their cameras. That's exactly what Canon was going for. And they're smart to do so. There's a MUCH larger market for that than there is for a large, heavy, telezoom. They're going after volume, not pleasing the less than 1‰ on the forums.
It's an intelligent business decision.

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2014, 06:57:29 AM »
Sony sells a BUTT LOAD of their similarly spec'd lens because it's a kit lens, bundled with their cameras. That's exactly what Canon was going for. And they're smart to do so.

yes, Canon would be smart to also sell a CAMERA to go with this "kit lens".  ;D

For the U.S: Canon might not be selling this lens AT ALL.   ;)

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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2014, 07:04:09 AM »
yes, Canon would be smart to also sell a CAMERA to go with this "kit lens".  ;D

HA!  Yeah, no doubt!  Interestingly, this lens WAS announced in the EU where the M2 was NOT announced.

For the U.S: Canon might not be selling this lens AT ALL.   ;)

It's possible.  In fact in my earlier post I said...

If I were heading up Canon USA and I KNEW an M with a DPAF sensor was coming, I'd hold off releasing this lens.  Then, when the new M with DPAF hits, I'd release it and I'd also release this lens and the 11-22.

We'll see what happens now that the day is starting here...

The MTF charts look FANTASTIC for this lens!

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2014, 08:34:07 PM »
anyone seen mtf's yet?
cant wait to see some samples too
gonna be interesting to see how it tracks
i've found the 135f2L works pretty damn good in servo mode on the M
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2014, 08:59:57 PM »
Yes, Yes, Yes, That will be my new lens in my Belly/ Fanny  pack with EF-M 22, and EF-M 18-55 mm.
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