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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 02:22:12 AM »
Competition is good! Challenging competition is even better!

In the end it's up to the customer’s needs, taste and choice which product is really competitive.
(And sometimes to the marketing departments).
sometimes you have to close your eyes to see properly.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 02:22:12 AM »

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 03:08:18 AM »
For still photography the improvements overall seem incremental,
with just one exception: "The d810 has the same AF module as the D4S",
says the German Nikon website.

So, there will be a D4S out soon as well.

The biggest upgrade though is in video mode with 1080 p60 available
and many other video details improved.

Yes, this looks like a very good piece of equipment.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 03:24:09 AM »
I hope it is a really great camera, and sets some new standards.  Will I switch?  Nope.  I love the competition that will make things better for us all.

Frankly I wish Nikon well, but I'm not that interested in what they do.  To be honest, I have a lot invested in lenses, bodies, giizmos, etc., and I spend a lot of time and effort improving my photographic skills.  What I have discovered is that it isn't the hardware that is my limiting factor. 

Improvements in technology will help me get better, but so far, my beloved 5DIII, pooped on or not, still has plenty of head room for me to improve.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 03:38:54 AM »
I feel sorry for Nikon owners.
It doesn't matter what model they buy, even when first released, as a few months down the track, Nikon will bring out a new and improved version of it making your current model obsolete and now worth substantially less than it cost you. Remember the D600 then the 610?
Canon does hang onto models much longer, and hence they have better re-sale value later on as say, after 3 years, your Canon may be just superseded, but if you had an equivalent Nikon, it would be 3 models old and practically worthless.

I'm not saying that Nikon cameras are no good, in fact, they are very good indeed, but constant model updates is not how you keep up the perceived and resale value of products.
It also makes it more difficult regarding spare parts too, as many models mean lots of parts and distributors only have so much space and money for parts.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2014, 04:22:42 AM »
For still photography the improvements overall seem incremental,
with just one exception: "The d810 has the same AF module as the D4S",
says the German Nikon website.

So, there will be a D4S out soon as well.


It's been on sale for a while.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2014, 04:28:59 AM »
Damn Canon are taking their time with new sensor technology... having the better lens lineup will not be an excuse for long, as having tried the black ones from the opposition, not lagging too far behind there Nikon either.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2014, 04:48:42 AM »
Ah...another Nikon warm over...nothing new here, no revolution and erm lets hope it sells better than their last few models.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2014, 05:00:11 AM »
D810 is a good mid-cyle update of D800/E and makes a very good camera even a bit better.
But ... there is a problem: pricing!

Nikon is trying to pull budget-street-priced D800 from the market and replace it with D810, that does not cost a cent more to build but would yield 1 grand more gross margin per unit.

But who will buy D180?
* Changes are not big enough to cause massive upgrades from existing D800/E owners
* People who want or need a D4/s or 1D-X will still get one of those
* Most Nikon DX / abandoned D300s owners willing to upgrade to DX are likely to pick up a D800 while supplies last, rather than paying 1000 more for a slightly better D810
* other "newcomers" to FF got a choice between D810 or 5D 3 @ at 500 less. Or Sony A7R at abaout half the D810 price.
ooops ... nowwho will buy the D810 in that scenario?

Nikon should have launched the D810 aggressively at USD/€ 1,999 .... that might have re-sparked interest.

And they should have added at least WiFi plus wireless tethering App for iOS and Android. After all, we're in2014 and not 2011.

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2014, 05:55:28 AM »
I feel sorry for Nikon owners.
It doesn't matter what model they buy, even when first released, as a few months down the track, Nikon will bring out a new and improved version of it making your current model obsolete and now worth substantially less than it cost you. Remember the D600 then the 610?
Canon does hang onto models much longer, and hence they have better re-sale value later on as say, after 3 years, your Canon may be just superseded, but if you had an equivalent Nikon, it would be 3 models old and practically worthless.

I'm not saying that Nikon cameras are no good, in fact, they are very good indeed, but constant model updates is not how you keep up the perceived and resale value of products.
It also makes it more difficult regarding spare parts too, as many models mean lots of parts and distributors only have so much space and money for parts.

I feel sorry for people who buy cameras based on how much they can sell them for.

If your camera is in good enough condition to be sold as "mint" or "near mint" condition then you obviously haven't used it very much.

While I can understand this for lenses....for camera bodies, they are a depreciating asset. Every camera body I have bought has dropped in resale value over the three years I have owned them. The lenses i have bought have generally been worth more over time due to inflation and increasing prices year on year. My 16-35IIL cost me £850 new, it's still worth close to that S/H and new they are nearly £1200. My 85 f1.2 II L cost me £1200, it's worth nearly that S/H and it's new price is between £1500 and £1800 depending where you buy it. 

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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2014, 07:29:53 AM »
Nikonian linguistic analysis: the -10 suffix translates to 'fixing a problem'.  The SB910 fixed the thermal issues of the SB900.  The D610 fixed the oil spatter and banned-from-sale-in-China-debacle of the D600.  The D810 fixes the problem Nikon had of producing both the D800 and D800E. 
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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2014, 08:14:31 AM »
I feel sorry for Nikon owners.
It doesn't matter what model they buy, even when first released, as a few months down the track, Nikon will bring out a new and improved version of it making your current model obsolete and now worth substantially less than it cost you. Remember the D600 then the 610?
Canon does hang onto models much longer, and hence they have better re-sale value later on as say, after 3 years, your Canon may be just superseded, but if you had an equivalent Nikon, it would be 3 models old and practically worthless.

I'm not saying that Nikon cameras are no good, in fact, they are very good indeed, but constant model updates is not how you keep up the perceived and resale value of products.
It also makes it more difficult regarding spare parts too, as many models mean lots of parts and distributors only have so much space and money for parts.

I feel sorry for people who buy cameras based on how much they can sell them for.

If your camera is in good enough condition to be sold as "mint" or "near mint" condition then you obviously haven't used it very much.

While I can understand this for lenses....for camera bodies, they are a depreciating asset. Every camera body I have bought has dropped in resale value over the three years I have owned them. The lenses i have bought have generally been worth more over time due to inflation and increasing prices year on year. My 16-35IIL cost me £850 new, it's still worth close to that S/H and new they are nearly £1200. My 85 f1.2 II L cost me £1200, it's worth nearly that S/H and it's new price is between £1500 and £1800 depending where you buy it.

Camera bodies are electronic devices like your iPad, iPhone, iMac and depreciate accordingly as their function degrades.

I sometimes wonder if the people that care most about the resale value are those that are always running with a month to month non-$0 debt on their credit card and thus see the resale value as being a way to gain back that lost debt, so to speak.
Hi,
    Some of us (me included) always sell the old camera to fund the new camera, so that we don't need to pay the full price for it when we upgrade our camera. In the idea scenario, when a new model come out, we should have save enough $$ to pay for the difference after we sell the old model.

    If the new camera "refresh" too fast, we might not save enough $$ to perform the "sell old, buy new" upgrade especially for a mid range full frame DSLR like D800 which is not cheap, so we wait... By the time, we ready to perform the upgrade, a new model launched (may be D900) and the value of our old camera drop even further...

    Hmm... may be this is the reason why Nikon don't sell as many camera as Canon as their model "refresh" too fast which make the resale value of their camera drop so fast that it's make no sense to perform upgrade, so Nikon user will just use the camera longer until they save enough $$ to buy a new one at full price.

    Have a nice day.
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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2014, 09:32:56 AM »
I feel sorry for Nikon owners.
It doesn't matter what model they buy, even when first released, as a few months down the track, Nikon will bring out a new and improved version of it making your current model obsolete and now worth substantially less than it cost you. Remember the D600 then the 610?
Canon does hang onto models much longer, and hence they have better re-sale value later on as say, after 3 years, your Canon may be just superseded, but if you had an equivalent Nikon, it would be 3 models old and practically worthless.

I'm not saying that Nikon cameras are no good, in fact, they are very good indeed, but constant model updates is not how you keep up the perceived and resale value of products.
It also makes it more difficult regarding spare parts too, as many models mean lots of parts and distributors only have so much space and money for parts.

I feel sorry for people who buy cameras based on how much they can sell them for.

If your camera is in good enough condition to be sold as "mint" or "near mint" condition then you obviously haven't used it very much.

I'm one those guys. I like to keep my camera bodies and lenses nice and clean at all time. 

Just sold one of my 5D III on CL for $2600 cash. Buyer seems to be very happy with the cosmetic condition - MINT.
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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2014, 02:27:16 PM »
I feel sorry for Nikon owners.
It doesn't matter what model they buy, even when first released, as a few months down the track, Nikon will bring out a new and improved version of it making your current model obsolete and now worth substantially less than it cost you. Remember the D600 then the 610?
Canon does hang onto models much longer, and hence they have better re-sale value later on as say, after 3 years, your Canon may be just superseded, but if you had an equivalent Nikon, it would be 3 models old and practically worthless.

I'm not saying that Nikon cameras are no good, in fact, they are very good indeed, but constant model updates is not how you keep up the perceived and resale value of products.
It also makes it more difficult regarding spare parts too, as many models mean lots of parts and distributors only have so much space and money for parts.

I feel sorry for people who buy cameras based on how much they can sell them for.

If your camera is in good enough condition to be sold as "mint" or "near mint" condition then you obviously haven't used it very much.

I'm one those guys. I like to keep my camera bodies and lenses nice and clean at all time. 

Just sold one of my 5D III on CL for $2600 cash. Buyer seems to be very happy with the cosmetic condition - MINT.
+1 ... I keep all my camera gear in MINT condition, including original boxes, manuals, CDs etc ... in the last 6 months I made over 70000 photos (not counting tons of video footage) ... only absolute ignorant people think that if your gear is in mint condition than you are not using your camera much ... good house keeping of your camera gear is not a sign of a poor photographer ... by the same token, just because one's camera is full of dings or scratches does not mean he/she is a good photographer.
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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2014, 04:01:01 PM »
Nikonian linguistic analysis: the -10 suffix translates to 'fixing a problem'.  The SB910 fixed the thermal issues of the SB900.  The D610 fixed the oil spatter and banned-from-sale-in-China-debacle of the D600.  The D810 fixes the problem Nikon had of producing both the D800 and D800E.

I wonder if there is a neuroanatomist-10 in the nikon forums...

You should go and find out. Bye!
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Re: D810!!!
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2014, 04:36:10 PM »
I feel sorry for Nikon owners.
It doesn't matter what model they buy, even when first released, as a few months down the track, Nikon will bring out a new and improved version of it making your current model obsolete and now worth substantially less than it cost you. Remember the D600 then the 610?
Canon does hang onto models much longer, and hence they have better re-sale value later on as say, after 3 years, your Canon may be just superseded, but if you had an equivalent Nikon, it would be 3 models old and practically worthless.

I'm not saying that Nikon cameras are no good, in fact, they are very good indeed, but constant model updates is not how you keep up the perceived and resale value of products.
It also makes it more difficult regarding spare parts too, as many models mean lots of parts and distributors only have so much space and money for parts.

I feel sorry for people who buy cameras based on how much they can sell them for.

If your camera is in good enough condition to be sold as "mint" or "near mint" condition then you obviously haven't used it very much.

While I can understand this for lenses....for camera bodies, they are a depreciating asset. Every camera body I have bought has dropped in resale value over the three years I have owned them. The lenses i have bought have generally been worth more over time due to inflation and increasing prices year on year. My 16-35IIL cost me £850 new, it's still worth close to that S/H and new they are nearly £1200. My 85 f1.2 II L cost me £1200, it's worth nearly that S/H and it's new price is between £1500 and £1800 depending where you buy it.

Camera bodies are electronic devices like your iPad, iPhone, iMac and depreciate accordingly as their function degrades.

I sometimes wonder if the people that care most about the resale value are those that are always running with a month to month non-$0 debt on their credit card and thus see the resale value as being a way to gain back that lost debt, so to speak.
Hi,
    Some of us (me included) always sell the old camera to fund the new camera, so that we don't need to pay the full price for it when we upgrade our camera. In the idea scenario, when a new model come out, we should have save enough $$ to pay for the difference after we sell the old model.

    If the new camera "refresh" too fast, we might not save enough $$ to perform the "sell old, buy new" upgrade especially for a mid range full frame DSLR like D800 which is not cheap, so we wait... By the time, we ready to perform the upgrade, a new model launched (may be D900) and the value of our old camera drop even further...

    Hmm... may be this is the reason why Nikon don't sell as many camera as Canon as their model "refresh" too fast which make the resale value of their camera drop so fast that it's make no sense to perform upgrade, so Nikon user will just use the camera longer until they save enough $$ to buy a new one at full price.

    Have a nice day.

You upgrade your camera when there is a significant functionality boost over the old camera, not because of minor changes. A three year old camera is a three year old camera, the loss of value over that time will reflect that. As with any product, there is  premium to be paid for something that is new out of the box rather than used, and resale will lose you that premium. If you upgrade every 12 months for some minor improvement, then yes, you are going to be losing a lot more money than if you upgraded every three years because you are giving up that premium three times instead of once. It is not Nikon's fault that you choose to do this.


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