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Re: 70-200 f2.8ii or i
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2014, 06:36:00 AM »
I've used a 70-200 f4 LIS with a 1.4x many times. It becomes an effective 100-300 f5.6 LIS with simular optical charectoristics to the new 70-300 f5.6 LIS. Sure, if you want to use a 2x tc you will need a 5DIII or 1Dx and only the centre points will work....but even with the f2.8 LIS II version, the 2x is pushing it a bit and the AF is pretty slow and ponderous.

Never used the 1.4, didn't remember the aperture reduction was lower. Thanks for the reminder.

of course I never used a true big white to compare but I was very pleasantly suprised by both AF and IQ during a recent outing (rugby game, sideline, fast wingbacks coming at me). Clearly didn't fail me.

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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2014, 06:36:00 AM »

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Re: 70-200 f2.8ii or i
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2014, 06:40:21 AM »
Mark I vs mark ii....mark ii much sharper, which comes in handy when cropping.
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Re: 70-200 f2.8ii or i
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2014, 06:42:33 AM »
I've used a 70-200 f4 LIS with a 1.4x many times. It becomes an effective 100-300 f5.6 LIS with simular optical charectoristics to the new 70-300 f5.6 LIS. Sure, if you want to use a 2x tc you will need a 5DIII or 1Dx and only the centre points will work....but even with the f2.8 LIS II version, the 2x is pushing it a bit and the AF is pretty slow and ponderous.

Never used the 1.4, didn't remember the aperture reduction was lower. Thanks for the reminder.

of course I never used a true big white to compare but I was very pleasantly suprised by both AF and IQ during a recent outing (rugby game, sideline, fast wingbacks coming at me). Clearly didn't fail me.

I recently compared my 70-200 f2.8 LIS II with a mkII 2x teleconverter with a 100-400 f5.6 IS L. The IQ was very good from both lenses. The 70-200 combo has more vignetting and softer corners. It was heavier and more unweildy too. Slightly longer focal length too. The IS usnit was clearly superior and the AF was a tad faster, which really suprised me. It's an effetive combo, but compared to the 400mm f5.6 L there is little comparison. The prime is sharper, less vignetting, CA etc, it's AF is snappier, faster and more accurate. It was far far lighter and a lot easier to use...but slightly less versatile.

It would be awsome if Canon can make a 70-400mm which has the IQ and AF speed of the native 70-200 f2.8 LIS II.

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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2014, 06:54:16 AM »
No worries GMC, we agree, I just wanted to moderate the very negative overtone of your previous post.

Of course extenders are not as good as native primes. But for the hobbyist that will never buy a 400 better than that, having better results/possibilities with extenders are something to take into consideration too. That's all :)

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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2014, 07:32:50 AM »
It's a no brainer... get the Mk.II.

I am not a pro, I am not rich, and if Canon had priced the Mk.ii at $4000, I'd still get it, its that good.

It's one of those lenses that steps up the quality of your work... no easy way to describe it...

It is just one amazing lens!
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Re: 70-200 f2.8ii or i
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2014, 09:42:43 AM »
No worries GMC, we agree, I just wanted to moderate the very negative overtone of your previous post.

Of course extenders are not as good as native primes. But for the hobbyist that will never buy a 400 better than that, having better results/possibilities with extenders are something to take into consideration too. That's all :)

Sorry if you felt my reply was negative, it usually quite factual which can voice as a bit cold on forums. No offence were intended or implied and i'm quite freindly really. The 400 f5.6L is a very cost consious lens and very capable too. It lacks a close MFD and IS system but optically and from an AF point of view, it's a fantastic lens which often gets over looked. 

Just to push the conversation on a bit. The 1.4x TC on the f2.8 II L version is interesting too, it pretty much negates the need for the 300mm f4 LIS. The combo is just as sharp, AF is just as good, it's IS is superior and it zooms too.

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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2014, 07:23:01 PM »
Just did the upgrade from the Mark l to the Mark ll, bottom line if you can afford it, get the ll, if you can't work and save up for it. Well worth it. Sharpness and AF speed/accuracy for me made it worth it.
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2014, 07:23:01 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2014, 07:35:02 PM »
Just did the upgrade from the Mark l to the Mark ll, bottom line if you can afford it, get the ll, if you can't work and save up for it. Well worth it. Sharpness and AF speed/accuracy for me made it worth it.

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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2014, 06:58:38 AM »
Canon's EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM Zoom, more than likely, is Canon's sharpest lens that Canon is offering today !

Currently, I shoot with my dated EOS 5D Mark II and when this lens is attached to it, this lens is used for most all situations needed ~ which include: Portraiture, Landscapes, and for Semi-Macro needs as well.. There is hardly anything that this lens cannot do !!!!

This lens makes one feel as if he or she has a precision piece of combined glass elements in their hands and there is nothing about this lens, when Canon had designed it, that had been overlooked ~ as it is extremely solid and heavy like it should be, it is totally solid without the typical clinking and clunking that long lenses sometime demonstrate, and it produces images that of extreme quality that are off the charts !
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Re: 70-200 f2.8ii or i
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2014, 09:19:15 PM »
I bought the non-IS about a year ago, after the Sigma (100-300 f4) that I was using lost autofocus and repair parts were unavailable. Of course I would have gotten the IS2 if I could afford it, but I could not and the non-IS was a thousand bucks less. Very happy with the lens, no complaints, and the high ISO on the 5D3 is so good that I can just bump up ISO in place of using IS. (I also use a tripod often, which of course negates the need for IS).

I find it tack sharp and it is interesting to see people here say it is actually sharper than the IS version 1. Makes me glad I got the non-IS new instead of getting an IS1 used. But of course if money is not an issue than by all means you should get the IS2. For me the main advantage of the IS2 would not be the IS, but rather the closer minimum focusing distance.

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Re: 70-200 f2.8ii or i
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2014, 09:19:15 PM »