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Have you handled a larger great white?  I'd suggest that you do and decide if you want a hand holdable or not.

The 400 is ii us m and 600 ii is usm  are for me marginally hand hold able (and thus less good for difficult birds in flight).  I have no experience with the 200-400.

The 300is ii usm and to a lesser degree the 500 ii usm are hand holdable and the 300 for sure takes extenders really well.  The MTF would indicate that the 500 does so very well as well.

So Id go for the 300 or the 500 unless you are in very good shape in which case any of the great white sharks would work for you.  If I were to buy a 500 I'd consider camera canada as they have a deal on the 500....

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Interesting and valuable comments here for anyone thinking about buying.  I'm hobby and can almost afford some of these toys but a little thought about other things in life that are important really creates self restraint in me. 

I'd like to travel a little to places where photography would be really exciting.  These places can be dangerous, with theft a big issue not to mention one's personal well being.  Then there is the issue of lenses and cameras that must board a plane and be lugged around with you constantly if you can't trust the security of the cheaper accommodation or only accommodation that's available.  Even taking my 300 2.8 II worries me.

Then as a tourist there is the issue of varied activities and having heavy/bulky gear that wears you out.  The 300 with converters is as far as I’m prepared to go because I’ve now verified after a year that I can handle it for some hours hand-held.  I realize that a 400 2.8 would have been a BIG mistake, for me, as would the 600 since I don’t want a tripod most of the time.  Many folks here have said much the same.

As we all know my 6D is not great for BIF and I regret that but the purchase was made with eyes wide open - an eventual back-up camera with either a new release 7D II as the next addition or maybe a 5D III or a 1DX. 

Similar dilemma.  The 1DX is worth drooling over but my friend bought it and yes it is bulky and heavy - man I don’t want that weight!!  So I bought a used 1D2 for peanuts to play with.  Pretty good AF and fast shutter - ooh nice.  Weight added to 300 X2 NOT nice AT ALL.  Like the straw and the camel for me.  Takes a hike that’s enjoyable and makes it much less enjoyable.  However, I have a medical pain/fatigue issue so I’m handicapped and a healthy younger person may not have the same breaking point as I have.  Still the principle is applicable. 

Likewise I’ve bought a 40 D for peanuts so I could see how I might react to a crop with the 300 and converters.  The 7DII will have to be a LOT better or a crop is not what I’ll buy.  AF is just too slow and the accuracy is poor, but it’s old technology. 

The concept of finding a great deal on something similar that can be easily sold while breaking even, is a good way to get your feet back on the ground so that there is more objectivity displayed relative to a potentially irrational purchase.

I’m as happy as the day I bought it - 6D, 300 X2 has been an awful lot of fun for a pretty reasonable price.

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Have you handled a larger great white?  I'd suggest that you do and decide if you want a hand holdable or not.

I find the 600 II to be handholdable as a bare lens, less so with an extender.  I'd owned my 600 II for over a year before I tried out a 300/2.8 II - that made the 300 II seem tiny and light.  :)
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I'm in the market for a 400mm f2.8L IS II. I had planned to buy it mid April, once I got my tax return. Unfortunately, on April 1, everyone decided to abide by Canon's MAP and raised the price several hundred dollars.

The 400 will make my life easier, but I can certainly wait a bit longer. My other equipment is up to the task for most of what I do. It just means I have to be a bit more selective about where I shoot from and do a bit more work in post.:(

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Have you handled a larger great white?  I'd suggest that you do and decide if you want a hand holdable or not.

The 400 is ii us m and 600 ii is usm  are for me marginally hand hold able (and thus less good for difficult birds in flight).  I have no experience with the 200-400.

The 300is ii usm and to a lesser degree the 500 ii usm are hand holdable and the 300 for sure takes extenders really well.  The MTF would indicate that the 500 does so very well as well.

So Id go for the 300 or the 500 unless you are in very good shape in which case any of the great white sharks would work for you.  If I were to buy a 500 I'd consider camera canada as they have a deal on the 500....

Sometime soon I'm going to the b&h super store in nyc, so I'll see how they feel.
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Plan a local birding or sport weekend, and rent a Big White, say, the 500 f/4 I or II, mid-weight to heavy. If you don't have a suitable gimbal head, lens plate, tripod, rent those as well. Can you handle the hand held weight of the Big White? Can you walk around all day without getting tired? Do you like using a Big White on a gimbal head?

If the answer is yes, consider renting one by one the other Big Whites under consideration. By the end of it all, you may have paid 1/10 the price for one of the Big Whites in rental fees, but you will have a clear idea of which one is for you.

I get the GAS for Big Whites occasionally, specifically for the 600 f/4 L IS II. I put off the day of getting serious (I could budget for one, fortunately, given a little time) until I can easily do 15# biceps curls endurance sets and easily perform a stiff stair-climbing routine with 25# or more weights. I am a scrawny older woman, and not there yet. I also tell myself that fieldcraft matters more than having the most expensive lens - TRUE! In the meantime, I shoot with my beloved 400mm f/5.6L Small White, handheld - the lens Art Morris of Birds As Art calls his "toy lens". It is a snap to carry this around all day, and the image quality is excellent.

See how you can "beat", or at least keep at bay, Big White GAS?

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I know the feeling, but unless you will be getting a commercial/financial return from the investment, it does not make sense.

I did net fifteen bucks the other day from selling a print... So yeah... buy it now.

+1, if a financial return on investment is the point of photography, then my photography is completely pointless.
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Generally I shoot sports.  I like the movie Big Year, but I don't really care much about birds. 

The 70-200 has been leaving me wanting lately... which is the reason for the gas.

And I pulled back on the throttle for the 400mm f2.8L... I looked at that price tag again and it was like cold water in the face...
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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I know the feeling, but unless you will be getting a commercial/financial return from the investment, it does not make sense.

I did net fifteen bucks the other day from selling a print... So yeah... buy it now.

+1, if a financial return on investment is the point of photography, then my photography is completely pointless.


+1

The money I started saving when I quit playing golf has quickly been eaten up by my GAS
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Generally I shoot sports.  I like the movie Big Year, but I don't really care much about birds. 

The 70-200 has been leaving me wanting lately... which is the reason for the gas.

And I pulled back on the throttle for the 400mm f2.8L... I looked at that price tag again and it was like cold water in the face...

JD...I have the 300 2.8 is and like you,  mainly shoot sports.....the addition of this lens is huge for field sports and night games.   It's my money maker.

Look what I see..... ;D ::)

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Have you handled a larger great white?  I'd suggest that you do and decide if you want a hand holdable or not.

The 400 is ii us m and 600 ii is usm  are for me marginally hand hold able (and thus less good for difficult birds in flight).  I have no experience with the 200-400.

The 300is ii usm and to a lesser degree the 500 ii usm are hand holdable and the 300 for sure takes extenders really well.  The MTF would indicate that the 500 does so very well as well.

So Id go for the 300 or the 500 unless you are in very good shape in which case any of the great white sharks would work for you.  If I were to buy a 500 I'd consider camera canada as they have a deal on the 500....

Different strokes for different folks!

I know a photographer that almost exclusively handholds a 1D4 with an 800 f/5.6, but others who think a 100-400 like mine is "too much lens to carry"...

Personally, I'd likely opt for the 500 as well. I rented a 500II last year, and it was spectacular! Adding my 1.4xIII helped in the reach department as well, and hardly affected the images my 7D captured.
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I know the feeling, but unless you will be getting a commercial/financial return from the investment, it does not make sense.

I request you to reconsider. 'Make sense' is subjective. To me, spending a little money on doing creative things that makes one happy makes sense. Life is short, we should do what we can.

+1

Justifying a 'great white' from a business standpoint would be a bit challenging.  Wildlife and freelance sports shooters would need to be at the top of their field for revenues to balance an expense like that (most white lenses at events aren't owned by individuals), and if a purchase can't pay for itself it's poor business practice to spend the money.

But for a hobby, there's no need to justify...as long as one can afford it.   :)

FWIW, the 300/2.8 II is next on my list.
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The 70-200 has been leaving me wanting lately... which is the reason for the gas.


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For sports I use 70-200 on my 5D (on BR7)  and 400 on 1dx(CF monopod)  - works a treat.

Also, at 5'5" tall with slight build - I can hand hold the 400 / 1Dx combo for BIF. Just depends what one can adapt to - years ago the 70-200 used to feel heavy! 
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The 70-200 has been leaving me wanting lately... which is the reason for the gas.


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For sports I use 70-200 on my 5D (on BR7)  and 400 on 1dx(CF monopod)  - works a treat.

Also, at 5'5" tall with slight build - I can hand hold the 400 / 1Dx combo for BIF. Just depends what one can adapt to - years ago the 70-200 used to feel heavy!

+1 with Menace,

With 2 bodies.
Indoor: 24-70 II + 70-200
Outdoor: 70-200 + 400

I used BR dual strap to shoot with these combos. Missing shot is almost impossible. Photo below is hand held, 1DX + 400mm f2.8 IS II. The X provides excellent tracking in AI servo. My 5yrs didn't pass DMV, she was moving left to right constantly while driving toward me.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2014, 05:11:35 PM by Dylan777 »
Body: 1DX -- 5D III
Zoom: 24-70L II -- 70-200L f2.8 IS II
Prime: 40mm -- 85L II -- 135L -- 200L f2 IS -- 400L f2.8 IS II

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+1

The money I started saving when I quit playing golf has quickly been eaten up by my GAS

I liked golf... but I wan't good at it.  On my best day I would be a bogey golfer... and on my worst day I didn't leave the bar between the 9th and 10th hole.  So... this is better.
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

XS->60D->5d Mkiii:18-55->24-105L:75-300->55-250->70-300->70-200 f4L USM->70-200 f/2.8L USM->70-200 f/2.8L IS Mkii:50 f/1.8->50 f/1.4->100L->85mm f/1.8 USM-> 8mm ->100L & 85L

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