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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2014, 01:58:33 PM »
Disappointment would be Canon releasing new prosumer cameras that are comparable to Sony...Gawd, I hope not.    :(

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« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2014, 01:58:33 PM »

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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2014, 02:33:49 PM »

Look at the original 5D and compare against the MK III significantly different, but II to III not so different.

My experience was that from 5D to MK II not so different but MK II to MK III significantly different.

Do other peoples experience match colinrb or mine?

I know this is going off thread, but it is an interesting question because it really depends on where your priorities lie. The 5DII offered a significant improvement in tonal quality over the original, especially in more extreme lighting conditions, a noticeable increase in resolution and a moderately better higher ISO performance. OOC jpegs can be quite useable. The II also had the much improved screen, video capability etc.. The 5DIII gives a very subtle improvement in tonal quality over the II, but a huge improvement in high ISO performance. It is also much faster, has an improved level of build, and of course, the AF in in a different league.

If you look at the overall package of the camera, I would say on balance that each mark was an equal jump forward in 'overall' performance.

I think most would agree that the first incarnation of the ubiquitous 18mp sensor in the 7D was the worst, so hopefully if the 7DII does have a new sensor it will be more thoroughly sorted than the original. 

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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2014, 02:47:49 PM »
Will be slightly disappointed if it is significantly better than my 70D. I expect it to have better build and weather sealing but hoping everything else just marginal  ;) Don't want/need an upgrade this soon  :P
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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2014, 03:14:19 PM »
Im pleased with my 7D. I would hope the mk 2 to be a bit better than the 70D. For a while now I have been shooting with my 5D Mk III, but its nice to have the crop factor on the 400mm 5.6. This weekend I went out and shot some birds and the IQ from the 7D still impressed me.

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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2014, 04:11:29 PM »
which begs the question then why they don't just buy Sony sensors? Would anybody mind a Sony sensors in Eos bodies?

Mixed feelings, but overall a plus to shorten R&D.

To me, Canon leap-frogged everybody back in 2008-2009 with the 5d2 and 7d. Sony leap-frogged back with their sensors in f.f. and APS-C several years ago. I've been disappointed at the length of time that has elapsed with Canon not accomplishing a suitable leap-frog in their sensor technology.

Well, there was the 70d follow focus, but I'm barely interested in video. That was a ho-hum. The 5d3 is a very nice camera with great AF, but sensor-wise was a big disappointment, and very expensive.

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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2014, 04:25:03 PM »
If you look at the overall package of the camera, I would say on balance that each mark was an equal jump forward in 'overall' performance.

Interesting observation. I was disappointed by the 5d3, but a much better AF over the admittedly marginal AF of the 5d2 wasn't a priority. I was hoping the 5d3 sensor could match the impressive Nikon D800(e) that was announced at about the same time.

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I think most would agree that the first incarnation of the ubiquitous 18mp sensor in the 7D was the worst, so hopefully if the 7DII does have a new sensor it will be more thoroughly sorted than the original.
Not my understanding. I recall that DPR beat up on the prior Canon 50d, and noted that the megapixel race should be over ... the 15 mpx 50d had inferior per-pixel performance over lower mpx Canons. Then the 7d with 18 mpx came out with per-pixel IQ better than the 50d, much to the surprise of DPR (and others).
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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2014, 04:34:21 PM »
The 7D was my wife´s camera. I sold it earlier this year, because I thought the 7DII would be released prior to our summer vacation (how wrong was that ...). I have few options but to buy it, since my wife is a bit upset that I sold her old body and she really likes the flexibility of the super-zooms (18-200 alternatives).

I hope it will be a nice complement to my 1DX for wildlife and not just a backup. A near 5DIII/1DX AF system, decent fps, 1.6x crop, 24MPish sensor, some low ISO improvements and hopefully also some improvements in DR. I could´t care less about video, but I´m sure I´ll get plenty.

I have a feeling Canon has made a bit more out of the sensor this time, but it might be that I´ll be disappointed.
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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2014, 04:54:17 PM »
since my wife is a bit upset that I sold her old body

That thought has crossed my mind but my wife wouldn't like it either  ;)

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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2014, 06:05:39 PM »
since my wife is a bit upset that I sold her old body
That thought has crossed my mind but my wife wouldn't like it either  ;)

Ouch, you'd better hope your wife never reads this, Eldar.  If she does, make it very, very clear you meant you sold her camera

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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2014, 01:48:08 AM »
since my wife is a bit upset that I sold her old body
That thought has crossed my mind but my wife wouldn't like it either  ;)

Ouch, you'd better hope your wife never reads this, Eldar.  If she does, make it very, very clear you meant you sold her camera

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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2014, 02:32:44 AM »
If it has an SD- card slot, maybe now understanding UHS-!, but only half speed.

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No spot metering on the activated AF- field.

And all this only to make it fit to its pricetag aka cripple to fit.
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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2014, 03:12:22 AM »
Even though I am not really in the market for a new 7Dmk2 I would be very disappointed if it doesn't have new and improved sensor technology because it would mean that there is a very good chance that there also will be nothing new on the horizon for FF either.

I desperately want a FF 36mp+ sensor body
plus an Eos M mk3 with an electronic viewfinder (build in or otherwise) and at least 70D comparable live view AF!

Is this just tooo much to ask for? Really?? :)

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Re: Eos7D mk2, How disappointed will you be if . . .?
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2014, 10:15:04 AM »
It would be disappointing if the 7D-II was just an incremental upgrade of the 70D. I mean, why on earth would they have needed to take so long to bring it to market?

I might have bought the 70D already if it had a headphone jack, but I want decent IQ at ISO 3200. If the 70D sensor can't achieve that then I'll just wait for a viable option that can.
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« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2014, 10:17:04 AM »
It would be disappointing if the 7D-II was just an incremental upgrade of the 70D. I mean, why on earth would they have needed to take so long to bring it to market?

Perhaps because the 7D was selling quite well...

I might have bought the 70D already if it had a headphone jack, but I want decent IQ at ISO 3200. If the 70D sensor can't achieve that then I'll just wait for a viable option that can.

I'm not convinced the 7DII will have significantly better high ISO performance than the 70D. 
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« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2014, 11:55:29 AM »
I currently have two 7D bodies, and one 6D.

The 7D replacement would need to have significantly lower noise performance for me to upgrade; although I wouldn't expect to match that of the 6D.

The 7D used value is going rapidly "down the tube"; I've had one of my bodies, with an EF-S 17-85 on Craig's list for two months, started with $900 OBO, now down to $650 OBO, and not one response.

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