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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2014, 02:29:54 AM »
We’ve had more mentions of the telephoto lens to be announced with the EOS 7D Mark II on September 5, 2014. We’re told it is indeed the replacement to the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS. This is something we’ve heard a lot about over the years, but it has to come true some day, right? (memories of the 24-70 f/2.8 replacement)
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EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II Specs

Rotating zoom ring
Okay. I liked the compact size of the old one. If that stays similar, I have no preference between push-pull vs. rotating.
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New IS system
As expected.
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Lighter weight than predecessor
82mm filter thread
If this together is true, then this means less metal and more engineered plastic.
If built quality is comparable to the 100L IS Macro or the 24-70L II this would be okay.
82 mm filter would be a little bit annoying but if it helps for better optical quality, so be it.
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New coating
$2399 USD
This MSRP would be quite surprising... positively.

So if this one will come together with much better AF and a noticeable better optical quality in a housing that is equal to the old one, I would start saving up money and wait for some good discounts in 2015... *sigh*
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2014, 02:29:54 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2014, 03:42:01 AM »
Non extending barrel, shorter MFD, ring focus and for the very least, as sharp as my 400 f/5.6, I'll grab a copy!
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2014, 04:53:45 AM »
I wish it would be 200-500, and lighter

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I wish Canon would release 500/600mm for the common mortals

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2014, 06:56:54 AM »
If the focus ring was at the other end of the push/pull barrel so it didn't get turned accidentally, and if the IS was worth anything, it would be a far more pleasant lens to use.

Have you used the 70-300L?  The design places the focus ring next to the body, the zoom ring further out. That's reversed from other L lenses, and means your hand (well, mine at any rate) reflexively grabs the focus ring when intending to zoom.  A real PITA, and if the new 100-400 has a similar design, it would be unfortunate.

I own the older Tamron super zoom (200-500mm). Its focus ring is placed where it is next to the camera's body...and I kind of like it that way! When used on a monopod or tripod, it seems a lot better that way...but certainly different from my Canon lenses.

I own a number of Canon L lenses - which started out with the Canon 28-135mm 'back in the day' which has the focus ring close to the body, and the zoom ring further away. (I've since sold the Canon 28-135mm)

Currently the 15-85mm and 70-300mm L are among my 2 favourite lenses (mainly used on my 7D) - and I actually prefer the configuration of focus ring close to body and zoom ring further away. The Canon 70-300mm L won for me over a number of other options  (a few years ago) - because of it's IQ and size/weight.  I did consider the 100-400mm... but that extra 100mm of zoom wasn't 'worth it' for me (I understand it might be for others).

I have used the 100-400mm a number of times, i.e. using friend's lenses, borrowing, etc. I became more accustomed to the 'push pull' after some time than I thought I would, but still generally by 'instinct' prefer a zoom ring, and a zoom ring nearer the end of my lenses. Having said that, I know it would be a different story if I had only got used to lenses with the zoom closer to the body (eg if I had owned the Canon 24-105mm L instead of the Canon 28-135mm).  But hey, the Canon 24-105mm L wasn't around at the time I got into photography!

I have owned 3 x Sigma UWA lenses (and initially found it mildly inconvenient on each that 1) the zoom rotates the other way AND 2) the focus is at the end and zoom ring is nearer the body. Thankfully I pretty much have a 'mental switch' in my mind now, so when I put my Sigma 8-16mm on my camera, I somewhat reflectively know it's on and my hand/mind know what to do (eg in the dark).

Horses for courses... but most importantly, enjoy your gear and take great photos.  I trust that Canon will have done their research (& design) well; and if they do come out with a 100-400mm L II (or similar) that they will come out with an awesome lens.   However I doubt I'll be buying one... as the 70-300mm L meets my needs very well.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2014, 07:07:43 AM »
I suspect the IQ would take a jump.  I have the Tamron 150-600 and up to 400 it is really a vice nice image and it does get noticeably above 400 compared to under 400, but not unusably soft, just not shave your 3 day stubble sharp.

It would be tough to explain, gaining a bit of speed, losing 200mm, and spending $1,400 more.  So the IQ would have to just stellar.

Compact is not a word that will ever be used for the T-150-600, packed up for travel its not bad, zoomed out to 600 and bazooka comes to mind.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2014, 07:48:57 AM »
Might be a nice replacement for my 70-200 4.0 and the 5.6 400 and should make a nice walk-around lens. (100mm equiv is a standard focal length for me :) Good contrast and strong flare resistance are very welcome. And add a built in lens hood (like 5.6 400 has) ... but that is just dreaming ...

Hopefully it is a 2 ring zoom which extends during zooming to keep it small for transportation at the 100mm setting. Usually I like fixed length lenses but in that focal length region it would be a 350mm thing and not fit into the bags I own.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2014, 08:10:24 AM »
I own a number of Canon L lenses - which started out with the Canon 28-135mm 'back in the day' which has the focus ring close to the body, and the zoom ring further away. (I've since sold the Canon 28-135mm)

Currently the 15-85mm and 70-300mm L are among my 2 favourite lenses (mainly used on my 7D) - and I actually prefer the configuration of focus ring close to body and zoom ring further away.

Many of the consumer lenses (the 28-135 isn't an L lens, as you know) have that configuration.  In most of those cases, the focus ring is relatively small, whereas L lenses have broader focus rings.

For me, it's not just about 'habit'.  One of the best ways to support a handheld camera is with palm under the body and fingers supporting the lens.  That places the fingers near the closest ring, so you can adjust it without moving your palm from supporting the cameras.  In my pre-AF film days, it was great for that close ring to be focus, but with AF, I (and likely most people) zoom more frequently.

For the 70-300L, I got the Tripod Ring C – that allows me to support the rig from underneath and places my fingers at the zoom ring.
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2014, 08:10:24 AM »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2014, 08:27:33 AM »
.............For the 70-300L, I got the Tripod Ring C – that allows me to support the rig from underneath and places my fingers at the zoom ring.

+1 - got it as well.
It is just very practical

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2014, 10:30:41 AM »
I don't understand why they don't make it a 70-400 or 80-400 to have a less big gap between this lens and their 24-70's. You see at Nikon and Sony that there is no quality loss with these extra 20/30mm, so why? To keep the original?  :P  For me, the 70-100 range is important, on FF as well as on crop.  :) They make you buy an 85mm or an 70-200mm.  :-X
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2014, 10:37:39 AM »
I don't understand why they don't make it a 70-400 or 80-400 ... They make you buy an 85mm or an 70-200mm.  :-X

Sounds to me like you understand perfectly...   ;)
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2014, 10:45:25 AM »
I don't understand why they don't make it a 70-400 or 80-400 to have a less big gap between this lens and their 24-70's. You see at Nikon and Sony that there is no quality loss with these extra 20/30mm, so why? To keep the original?  :P  For me, the 70-100 range is important, on FF as well as on crop.  :) They make you buy an 85mm or an 70-200mm.  :-X

Does anybody really need every mm covered without gaps? Sure it can be nice, but I find the 16-35 and 70-200 combo extremely versatile. 35-70 not covered ... So what? There is no way that you can always have the right lens on the right camera at the right time. You either have to use a superzoom, and accept lower IQ, or use two or more cameras simultaneously. If you really need instant versatility and high IQ, then use the 24-70 2.8 on one body, and one of the L tele-zooms on another. Of course cost and weight could be problematic.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2014, 11:36:56 AM »
For me, it's not just about 'habit'.  One of the best ways to support a handheld camera is with palm under the body and fingers supporting the lens.  That places the fingers near the closest ring, so you can adjust it without moving your palm from supporting the cameras.  In my pre-AF film days, it was great for that close ring to be focus, but with AF, I (and likely most people) zoom more frequently.

+1. I wonder why they put the focus ring closer to the camera in the non-L lenses (not the super inexpensive ones, though). Just to make it more uncomfortable? Are people more likely to use manual focus override on a non-L lens?
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2014, 12:12:46 PM »
For those that want a 200-500 or xxx-600 or whatever instead, what if the bodies have f/8 AF points and you can use a 1.4x TC with the new 100-400?  The Tamron really needs to be stopped down to f/8 at the 600mm end anyway, so this lens would be about the same as that one, just in a smaller size with more flexibility.

100-400/4.5-5.6
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That sounds like a good deal to me.

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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2014, 12:12:46 PM »

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2014, 12:16:37 PM »
I don't understand why they don't make it a 70-400 or 80-400 ... They make you buy an 85mm or an 70-200mm.  :-X

Sounds to me like you understand perfectly...   ;)

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS II [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2014, 12:18:15 PM »
I don't understand why they don't make it a 70-400 or 80-400 to have a less big gap between this lens and their 24-70's. You see at Nikon and Sony that there is no quality loss with these extra 20/30mm, so why? To keep the original?  :P  For me, the 70-100 range is important, on FF as well as on crop.  :) They make you buy an 85mm or an 70-200mm.  :-X

Does anybody really need every mm covered without gaps? Sure it can be nice, but I find the 16-35 and 70-200 combo extremely versatile. 35-70 not covered ... So what? There is no way that you can always have the right lens on the right camera at the right time. You either have to use a superzoom, and accept lower IQ, or use two or more cameras simultaneously. If you really need instant versatility and high IQ, then use the 24-70 2.8 on one body, and one of the L tele-zooms on another. Of course cost and weight could be problematic.

Of course you can live without it, but it is, as you said, nice to have.  :)
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