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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 07:57:23 PM »
Let me rephrase that- how much cheaper will Canon be willing to price the 4X0RT anyway? (considering Canon's general inclination towards R&D roi and profit)

You don't want to hear my answer, I'm Mr. "Canon is too greedy" around here. Though I have to admit the 600rt is a very good piece of equipment, they have to get back their r&d investment and Yongnuo just showed us how not to do it with the terrible st-e3 transmitter clone.

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 07:57:23 PM »

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2014, 08:12:47 PM »
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Damn!!

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2014, 08:15:47 PM »
The only way this is gonna work is if they add a built im radio slave function and make the buttons bigger but keep the price the same. Then it might make sense otherwise it's just a waste of money and you might as well just buy the 600s as you get way more for your money.

My 430 exii cost about $250 (bought in Japan). That was about as much as I'd want to pay for something like that. I could get almost 4 YN 560s with just that amount (and I did). So it won't appeal to the cheapos and it's not powerful enough for the heavy stuff that pros need so what is the point??

Is it going to be aimed at those buying their first flash? A gateway to the 600? Then when they upgrade they can still use both together right? What would be their next move? Ummm sell the 4xx and get another 600, duh!
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2014, 08:23:06 PM »
Let me rephrase that- how much cheaper will Canon be willing to price the 4X0RT anyway? (considering Canon's general inclination towards R&D roi and profit)

You don't want to hear my answer, I'm Mr. "Canon is too greedy" around here. Though I have to admit the 600rt is a very good piece of equipment, they have to get back their r&d investment and Yongnuo just showed us how not to do it with the terrible st-e3 transmitter clone.


It is a rhetorical question anyway.
I think Canon will NOT price the 4X0RT low enough that too many will be inclined to settle for that instead of another 600 (especially if refurbished).
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2014, 09:30:23 PM »
Wouldn't it be something if this new flash was being rolled out as one that could be controlled by a built-in radio wireless system in the new 7D? Yes, I know I'm reaching and just kidding.  At least, I hope that's not what it'll be cause I'd be too jealous.   

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2014, 10:01:08 PM »
Sweetness. 440RT would be a nice addition to rid us of the ancient IR triggering tech.

+1

I'm also looking forward to that.

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2014, 10:14:49 PM »
I think Canon will NOT price the 4X0RT low enough that too many will be inclined to settle for that instead of another 600 (especially if refurbished).

On the other hand, their latest releases (70d, 16-35L-IS) were rather reasonably priced - so you never know, even with Canon :-p

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2014, 10:14:49 PM »

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2014, 10:36:53 PM »
Wouldn't it be something if this new flash was being rolled out as one that could be controlled by a built-in radio wireless system in the new 7D? Yes, I know I'm reaching and just kidding.  At least, I hope that's not what it'll be cause I'd be too jealous.   
I think the regulatory environment makes a built-in radio transmitter for the 7d unlikely. They would need different models for countries that don't allow radio transmitters.
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2014, 11:18:47 PM »
I think Canon will NOT price the 4X0RT low enough that too many will be inclined to settle for that instead of another 600 (especially if refurbished).

On the other hand, their latest releases (70d, 16-35L-IS) were rather reasonably priced - so you never know, even with Canon :-p

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2014, 01:29:30 AM »
I hope they give the new flash head the same range of rotation as the 600EX-RT.  The head of the 430EX has a limited range of rotation.  When holding the camera in vertical position, the head will only rotate 90 degrees straight upward.  This means you can't angle it a bit backwards as you can with the 600EX-RT.  Likewise, when holding the camera in horizontal position, you can only turn the flash head 90 degrees to the right (although you can turn it 180 degrees to the left).  This makes the 430EX much less useful for me.

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2014, 03:42:01 AM »
I hope they give the new flash head the same range of rotation as the 600EX-RT.  The head of the 430EX has a limited range of rotation.

There are only so many things how you can cripple a flash so people who don't need the "pro" features like ext. power supply and fast recycle time still can be upsold to the most expensive model. Imho Canon won't change a running system, and the extended flexibility of the head is one of the things that appeals to everyone.

The other thing the "small" flash probably won't have is the great 600rt usabilty simply because the flash is smaller, so if using one on-hotshoe or on-bracket flash the 600rt will still be better unless you perfer the in-camera menu (if you manage to find it).

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2014, 06:38:02 AM »
It would be nice if Canon finally implemented touch controls and a menu that didn't necessitate reading the manual every time I use the flash (and I have 2 430EXII's.)
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2014, 08:59:20 AM »
Let me rephrase that- how much cheaper will Canon be willing to price the 4X0RT anyway? (considering Canon's general inclination towards R&D roi and profit)

You don't want to hear my answer, I'm Mr. "Canon is too greedy" around here. Though I have to admit the 600rt is a very good piece of equipment, they have to get back their r&d investment and Yongnuo just showed us how not to do it with the terrible st-e3 transmitter clone.

People seem to love the YongNuo transmitter ... and it has a built in focus assist light

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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2014, 09:14:51 AM »
Wow, no one stating the blindingly obvious feature that canon should put in all their flashes ----come on now, how hard is it to put a freaking battery meter in there?  It would be so awesome to be setting up my lighting and turn the units on and know....ohhh it's got 3/4 power left, no need to change batteries, or wow, 1/4 left, better put some new ones in.  The 600 really really should have that!!!  so I won't hold my breath on a 400 series flash having such a simple feature --------- it really boggles my mind why it's not there.  Maybe I'm the only one that's bugged my this????
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2014, 09:18:01 AM »
I hope they give the new flash head the same range of rotation as the 600EX-RT.  The head of the 430EX has a limited range of rotation.

There are only so many things how you can cripple a flash so people who don't need the "pro" features like ext. power supply and fast recycle time still can be upsold to the most expensive model. Imho Canon won't change a running system, and the extended flexibility of the head is one of the things that appeals to everyone.

The other thing the "small" flash probably won't have is the great 600rt usabilty simply because the flash is smaller, so if using one on-hotshoe or on-bracket flash the 600rt will still be better unless you perfer the in-camera menu (if you manage to find it).

odd thing about that is recycle time wasn't really gimped on the 430's - smaller flash, less power = faster recycle.  I found my 430's faster at recycle than either my 580's or my 600's.

Unfortunately, brand new upon release these will not be my beater flashes!  But, I may snag a few more 430's because the price of those will surely drop. 
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Re: New Speedlite Coming? [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2014, 09:18:01 AM »