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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2014, 04:41:26 PM »
They really need:

4k that is real 4k and not like 1080P

forget all the stupid DNR where they turn even ISO 100 to wax unless it's extreme contrast edges, we want natural 'grain' and detail and we don't want fine surface detail to be turned to mush from plasticky fake looking DNR!

we need 10bits not bits recorded internally, 10bits 4:4:4, compressed, detailed, 4k recorded internally would be great (4:2:2 at worst). (and it should allow 1080p RAW like ML)

and how about just building the zebras and focus 100% box and focus peaking in? basic stuff!

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2014, 04:41:26 PM »

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2014, 06:35:24 PM »
Does Canon want to lose that 10% of video buyers? I don't think so- then their 5D sales go down 10%.

4K isn't a fad like 3D was- it's here for the long run. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and cannibalize themselves (their Cinema EOS line) before someone else does it for them.

Putting 4K and 1080p RAW in the next 5D is essential- otherwise, video shooters will be buying something else.

And how many Cinema EOS buyers started out with a 5DII? A lot. Then they graduated to a C300.

If the next generation of shooters starts out with a GH4 or A7S, they'll be much more inclined to graduate to a higher end Panasonic or Sony cinema camera. And whoops, then those C300 sales will start to drop, too.

I'm not being a pessimist here, and I'm not a Canon hater- I LOVE their products- the quality is just incredible. But they have to stop protecting Cinema EOS market share and start giving people what they want.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2014, 08:29:24 PM »
Does Canon want to lose that 10% of video buyers? I don't think so- then their 5D sales go down 10%.

4K isn't a fad like 3D was- it's here for the long run. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and cannibalize themselves (their Cinema EOS line) before someone else does it for them.

Putting 4K and 1080p RAW in the next 5D is essential- otherwise, video shooters will be buying something else.

And how many Cinema EOS buyers started out with a 5DII? A lot. Then they graduated to a C300.

If the next generation of shooters starts out with a GH4 or A7S, they'll be much more inclined to graduate to a higher end Panasonic or Sony cinema camera. And whoops, then those C300 sales will start to drop, too.

I'm not being a pessimist here, and I'm not a Canon hater- I LOVE their products- the quality is just incredible. But they have to stop protecting Cinema EOS market share and start giving people what they want.

+1

And video/film/movie guys tend to not sit around waiting as long as still shooters are willing to for new equipment.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2014, 08:32:02 PM »
I might buy a 5D-4 "lite" - with no video! (if priced much less than the video version.)

Remember how much of a discount people got for having no video on the Nikon Df?
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2014, 11:56:17 PM »
I might buy a 5D-4 "lite" - with no video! (if priced much less than the video version.)

Remember how much of a discount people got for having no video on the Nikon Df?
A reason why big glass like the 800, 600, 500, 400/2.8, 300/2.8, 200/2.0 and 200-400/4.0 are expensive is because their production run are far far far fewer than say a 16-35/2.8, 24-70/2.8 or 70-200/2.8 IS.

So expect a higher price for a "lite".

And having no video whether it be 1080p, 4K or whatnot is like trying to sell a car without AC or a radio.
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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2014, 05:41:36 AM »
Does Canon want to lose that 10% of video buyers? I don't think so- then their 5D sales go down 10%.

4K isn't a fad like 3D was- it's here for the long run. Canon needs to take a lesson from Apple and cannibalize themselves (their Cinema EOS line) before someone else does it for them.

Putting 4K and 1080p RAW in the next 5D is essential- otherwise, video shooters will be buying something else.

And how many Cinema EOS buyers started out with a 5DII? A lot. Then they graduated to a C300.

If the next generation of shooters starts out with a GH4 or A7S, they'll be much more inclined to graduate to a higher end Panasonic or Sony cinema camera. And whoops, then those C300 sales will start to drop, too.

I'm not being a pessimist here, and I'm not a Canon hater- I LOVE their products- the quality is just incredible. But they have to stop protecting Cinema EOS market share and start giving people what they want.
3D is a fad(gimic). I dont know anyone who buys a tv or projector bc its 3D. Now 3D just comes with it as a spec perk to one up or have that text on the box of their product to match another. You dont see anyone crying for 3D in their next DSLR or eos cinema do you or at least not enough to notice. 3D is something you take your kids to see at the movies just bc they think it is cool. 4k isnt a fad but it is a gimic when its something I wouldnt want to use bc of how bad it will look in low light at price points we are talking about. If I video a wedding in 4K(despite how terrible it will look bc we all know weddings have terrible lighting) how many people can watch it even if they have a 4K tv. I did a dance recital in May. Sold 40 videos. 1 Blu-RAY.....ONE!!!!! 39 DVDs. these people have a 1080p capable TV but nothing to play a blu-ray on(I bet their children do but they dont know it). Blue-ray was same price as DVD. Yes I can crop the 4K but Im still left with lower quality 1080P bc the low light is worse. more pixels on same size sensor=worse low light as compared to 1080P wouldnt it? I think in the next 2 years there will be a sharp increase in 4K tv sales simply because it will be at that 1,000-1,500 price point. but what about 4K media...4k media players. Im still waiting on people to adopt 1080P and thats why I want better 1080P NOW. I admit I dont know if current blu-ray players will play 4K. If so then that will speed up its adoption into mainstream. Im fine with 4K staying at a professional pricepoint(good quality 4K) because thats where it belongs. canon needs to focus on improving something that I can use to improve the quality of what I use to make a living with. I wont make more money bc my camera will do poor or semi decent 4K.

I honestly think only the impulse buying uneducated consumer/prosumer will buy 1 dslr over the next simply bc it has 4K and the other doesnt. anyone who cares about the real world quality of the specs and what they could do with them will be worried about QUALITY. Theres a new sony 3CCD camera coming out thats 1080P for 4,999 and is suppose to have better low light and longer optical focal length than the previous generation. However Sony currently offers a 4K 60fps camera thats 4,498. why wouldnt I buy the 4K camera? number 1 the quality sucks and number 2 I cant sell it to anyone because they cant watch it.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2014, 11:02:41 AM »
4k Capture is not so much about 4k delivery currently. Its about producing higher quality 1080p by doing spatial and color oversampling Reselting in sharper images with higher color depth. We know from magic lantern that even the current generation sensors are capable of much higher quality than the stock firmware allows. The bottleneck in the currant models is the ancient CF card interface. I expect the next generation to adapt cfast that will allow higher bit rates, better codecs and larger files. Canon cinema is super35 format not full frame 35mm. People use those cameras for their image quality, long recording capability and pro sound inputs. A 4k dslr would not really compete with the c series products.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2014, 11:02:41 AM »

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2014, 07:35:27 PM »
I am sorry but 4k is not a gimic. 4k is great for image stabilization and getting a far better downsampled 1080p image. I believe that 4k will be released into a smaller camera-ie below the 1dc. I am not saying there wont be a compromise but i dont think they can wait forever to release the 4k into a smaller camera body.
I could see 4k in a 5d body and 2.5k in a smaller (7d) body.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2014, 12:15:55 AM »
They really need:

4k that is real 4k and not like 1080P

forget all the stupid DNR where they turn even ISO 100 to wax unless it's extreme contrast edges, we want natural 'grain' and detail and we don't want fine surface detail to be turned to mush from plasticky fake looking DNR!

we need 10bits not bits recorded internally, 10bits 4:4:4, compressed, detailed, 4k recorded internally would be great (4:2:2 at worst). (and it should allow 1080p RAW like ML)

and how about just building the zebras and focus 100% box and focus peaking in? basic stuff!

What he said.

Although I'm not really fussed about RAW if they can improve the overall dynamic range.

Listening to people bitch about Canon not cannibalising their Cinema EOS line is all fine and dandy when it comes to the C100/300/500 but in my views the 1DC is fair game.
Its basically a 1DX with a fancy firmware and (supposably a better heat sink, but not proven).
Kill that puppy off from the Cinema line up and put the features that you learned from there into the 1DX2 and 5D4.

Yes, i shoot video on a DSLR.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2014, 11:09:49 AM »
They really need:

4k that is real 4k and not like 1080P

forget all the stupid DNR where they turn even ISO 100 to wax unless it's extreme contrast edges, we want natural 'grain' and detail and we don't want fine surface detail to be turned to mush from plasticky fake looking DNR!

we need 10bits not bits recorded internally, 10bits 4:4:4, compressed, detailed, 4k recorded internally would be great (4:2:2 at worst). (and it should allow 1080p RAW like ML)

and how about just building the zebras and focus 100% box and focus peaking in? basic stuff!

+1 here. Zebras and focus peaking are really needed. And compressed 4k and 1080p RAW please  ;)

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2014, 02:34:16 PM »
I did a dance recital in May. Sold 40 videos. 1 Blu-RAY.....ONE!!!!! 39 DVDs. these people have a 1080p capable TV but nothing to play a blu-ray on

Sad and absurd. And the same people then go around telling everyone that there is no need for 4k since even 1080p barely looks better than SD.... HELLO because all you ever watch on your 1080P is out dated ancient SD crappy signals! Duh!

DVDs and crappy streaming. What a shame.
For a long time music and audio quality just got better and better, sadly, kids born today will never even know what decent audio and video quality was. They will be lucky to get Betamax quality.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2014, 04:36:13 PM »
Sigh, just give me a really good still camera Canon!
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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2014, 07:59:29 PM »
Hi LTRLI.
It could be worse, they might only get VHS quality! ;D

Just a disposable comment please don't start a which is best war!

Cheers Graham.

They will be lucky to get Betamax quality.
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« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2014, 07:59:29 PM »

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2014, 12:50:19 AM »
If you don't care about video, stop crying.

Video is not separate. Nobody buys handy cams and video cameras anymore. People also used to cry about cameras on phones.

Video cameras are getting phased out and will cease to exist, except for dedicated broadcast or cinema cameras of course. But under a certain price point, stills and video is going to be in one device.It is not driving up the cost of your camera so please shut up.

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Re: 4K Video Capture Coming to the EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2014, 01:43:12 PM »
Fearless forecast for the 5D Mark IV

- Announcement will be made after March 2015. This will mark the 3rd year of the 5D Mark III.
- Faster CFast memory cards will replace slower CF memory cards to allow in-camera high quality 4K video.
- USB 3 interface.
- Inclusion of features from most of the Canon SLRs.
- Still single grip.
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