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which to get xsi or t2i?
« on: October 02, 2010, 07:34:42 PM »
i am looking to purchase a dslr in the coming month or so but this will be my first dslr. besides the obvious spec differences between the xsi and the t2i which should i go with given that i am still learning. also is there going to be a replacement to the xsi anytime soon?
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2010, 11:06:33 PM »
i heard there may be an update to the xsi and i wanted to know if this is anytime in the near future....

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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2010, 11:42:36 PM »
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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2010, 05:39:11 AM »
.... also is there going to be a replacement to the xsi anytime soon?

This is a website for rumors about Canon photography equipment and a forum for discussion about rumors concerning Canon camera bodies.

Can you therefore please explain how your post and question is appropriate here?

Dilbert, may I ask you how YOUR how your question is appropriate here???


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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2010, 12:13:25 PM »
There have already been two updates to the XSi, the T1i and then the T2i.  The XSi remains in the lineup, but will never be "updated" as an XSi.  I'm surprised it hasn't been discontinued.

If you are just starting, any of those (XSi, T1i, T2i) would be a good starter camera.  I used an XSi for over 2 years and it served me well.

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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2010, 04:20:16 PM »
You might want to check out the discussion on this forum regarding Canon 60D vs. Nikon D7000. Although the starting question was different, many of the same points apply.

Basically, it comes down to what you want to do. If you've compared the features, like you said, then you know the T2i is currently the top of the line Rebel and provides a lot of features for the money. Xsi is a generation or two behind in most features. Eventually, features trickle down as the higher-end models get replaced, but I'm guessing that the core features of the T2i won't show up in a lower-cost Rebel for awhile, since three upper-level models (7D, 60D and T2i) all share many of these features and we are in the relatively early stages of the life-cycle for these models.

A recurring theme on this forum is that people drive themselves nuts worrying about buying a camera and then having a new model come out. That's always going to be the case. Decide what you want and start taking pictures.
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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2010, 07:40:16 PM »
It's almost $600 versus somewhere around $850.  About a $250 difference.  That's getting close to enough for a f/1.4 lens.  The XSi isn't as old as I had thought (2008) but it seems to use older components (i.e. Digic III - the Digic IV and supporting components in the T2i let it shoot 3.7 frames per second, compared to the XSi's 3.5, which isn't a big difference until you consider that the T2i is pushing nearly twice the amount of data of the XSi - 18MP versus 10MP).  If you simply want good picture quality in a cheap package, I think it'd start making more sense to look at the new compact cameras from Canon, some of which are very good and generally seem to only lose out on low-light performance.  Buying a big DSLR when you aren't going to switch lenses - just going to use some image stabilized kit lens with a relatively small maximum aperture and small zoom range - doesn't seem to me to give much advantage over buying a compact with all the same points in a smaller package, in most situations.  There is also a difference of some years between the release of the different cameras - so it's up to you.  At the very least, if you go with the older camera you would want to download updated versions of the camera software (if you use Digital Photo Professional) from Canon's website, if you get old copies on the provided resource discs (seems likely).

For me, the biggest consideration after price is the screen on the back.  The T2i has a nice modern screen with 1,040,000 "dots" on the back, which is slightly better than VGA resolution, or 640x480.  The XSi has a screen with 230,000 "dots" on the back, which is a quarter the resolution of VGA, at 320x240.  I have used the screen on a Nikon D3000, which is also 230,000 "dots."  This is the same resolution as the second screen on a Nintendo DS, but it feels like using a handheld game system from the early 90s because (at least on the D3000, and I'd bet it's similar on the XSi) there's more space between each pixel on the larger screen.  It gives the appearance of a grid, which is distracting.  That is not good.  (The Nikon is even worse because of the ugly screen elements they use, like big distracting fake B&W liquid crystal seven segment display digits like you'd see on an old wristwatch, instead of the nicer round font of the new Canon cameras...but you weren't asking about a Nikon camera.)

In my view, the 920K dots of the 50D, T1i, and newer cameras is "sharp enough" for composing many images in Live View.  The 5x and 10x magnification allows precise focus to be made easily, even handheld, even using a tilt-shift / perspective control lens.  I would not have fun doing this using a screen with only 320x240 resolution.  The XSi has Live View (apparently it was new in that lienup with the model), but again it wouldn't be fun.  There is also a consideration in how quickly the screen updates - older cameras tend to have more lag before the image updates, and it might update less frequently as well.  The T1i, at least, is pretty quick.

There's also movie mode, which is something else to think about.  It's nice to have.  Though, on these cameras it's only useful if you are working with professionals on a movie, or you have the chance to set up the camera exactly beforehand.  Not good for action or anything with movement; keep a camcorder around.

There are lots of other minor details to obsess over, if you care to.  I haven't seen any direct image output comparisons between the 50D / T1i and the XSi (the XSi seems to have occupied a segment either equal to or just below the T1i, given being 10MP slightly over a year before the T1i's release, while there were 12MP sensors in the interim) but I think the resolution speaks for itself.  You'll waste less hard drive space on XSi RAW files than on the T1i.  JPEGs shouldn't be a problem for either.  But you also lose a lot of actual detail going with the XSi, assuming you have a lens and subjects which you can resolve that finely (which also depends on your focusing technique), which of course can double your investment.  If you're going to stick with kit lenses and not try to take any nature photos you want blown up into big prints, the XSi ought to be fine, I would think.  None of these cameras (besides the 7D) are ready for sports, though the T2i does have newer metering than the XSi, which may lead to nicer-looking, more balanced pictures without any extra effort on your part.

Tangent:  Canon (and Nikon) apparently calculates the "dots" resolution of their LCD screens by taking the number of pixels, multiplying by three (each pixel has a red, green, and blue component, or "dot"), so you can get the number of actual pixels and guess at the resolution by dividing by three first.  Canon says the 7D has "VGA" resolution, which is approximately 640x480, or like a DOS / Windows 95 PC.  The T2i's screen has a different aspect ratio, more like a movie screen's, of 3 long by 2 high (instead of 4:3), and is slightly higher resolution than the T1i / 7D - overall you should get a small, but not really deal-making, bump in usable resolution, because not only are there more pixels, but more of them can be used to show the image (on the 4:3 ratio camera screens, there's black bars).

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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2010, 07:40:19 AM »
I don't think Edwin has ever actually touched an XSi, so his assessment is a bit off.

....which isn't a big difference until you consider that the T2i is pushing nearly twice the amount of data of the XSi - 18MP versus 10MP).

The XSi has 12.1MP, so the T2i is pushing about 50% more.  The biggest difference between the DIGIC III & IV from a user standpoint is the menu system.

If you simply want good picture quality in a cheap package, I think it'd start making more sense to look at the new compact cameras from Canon,

The OP has stated he wants a dslr, so this whole section is superfluous.

This is the same resolution as the second screen on a Nintendo DS, but it feels like using a handheld game system from the early 90s because (at least on the D3000, and I'd bet it's similar on the XSi) there's more space between each pixel on the larger screen.  It gives the appearance of a grid, which is distracting.

There is no appearance of a grid whatsoever on the XSi.  None.  Zero.  There is no space between pixels.  The screen on the XSi is perfectly clear and usable.

The XSi has Live View (apparently it was new in that lienup with the model), but again it wouldn't be fun.  There is also a consideration in how quickly the screen updates - older cameras tend to have more lag before the image updates, and it might update less frequently as well.  The T1i, at least, is pretty quick.

The screen update speed on the XSi was fine, but the ability of the camera to autofocus in Live View was marginal at best.  For all practical purposes it was necessary to turn on Live View, frame the subject, turn it off, and then shoot.  I may be a big fan of the XSi, but Live View was not a usable feature.

There's also movie mode, which is something else to think about.  It's nice to have.  Though, on these cameras it's only useful if you are working with professionals on a movie, or you have the chance to set up the camera exactly beforehand.  Not good for action or anything with movement; keep a camcorder around.

Really?  I realize there are rolling shutter problems in some instances, but so far I haven't encountered any problems with video on my 60D.  I assume the T2i would be exactly the same.  OP, it is safe to use the T2i for video, really.

There are lots of other minor details to obsess over, if you care to.  I haven't seen any direct image output comparisons between the 50D / T1i and the XSi (the XSi seems to have occupied a segment either equal to or just below the T1i, given being 10MP slightly over a year before the T1i's release, while there were 12MP sensors in the interim) but I think the resolution speaks for itself.

Again, the XSi was 12.1MP.  The XTi was 10, the XT was 8.  It would be a fairly rare image that would actually require higher than 12MP.  In over 50k shots over 2.5 years I never needed higher resolution, and I printed as large as 24x36.

OP, look at the features of each camera and see what works best for you at the different price points.  Read reviews.   I bought my XSi the first day it was available and paid full original list price (I think it was either $900 or $1000).  I look back and it was money well spent.  At current prices it's an amazing bargain.   That said, if I were buying in that class today I'd go for the T2i for the improved low-light performance and the video.  But only you can decide what works for you.  All three cameras are capable of creating amazing images, any of them would be great first dslrs.

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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2010, 02:40:38 PM »
I don't think Edwin has ever actually touched an XSi, so his assessment is a bit off.
No, and yes, you're right on that account.  Thanks for the corrections, and I really need to remember to put disclaimers higher up.

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If you simply want good picture quality in a cheap package, I think it'd start making more sense to look at the new compact cameras from Canon,
The OP has stated he wants a dslr, so this whole section is superfluous.
Does the OP know why he needs a DSLR?  Again, if they know why they need it, that's fine.  But if they sort of just feel it's the right kind of camera to get, it's worth asking this question more carefully.

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This is the same resolution as the second screen on a Nintendo DS, but it feels like using a handheld game system from the early 90s because (at least on the D3000, and I'd bet it's similar on the XSi) there's more space between each pixel on the larger screen.  It gives the appearance of a grid, which is distracting.
There is no appearance of a grid whatsoever on the XSi.  None.  Zero.  There is no space between pixels.  The screen on the XSi is perfectly clear and usable.
I'd definitely be happy to hear this isn't the case.  That would be a major point in favor of the XSi over the D3000 in that case.

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The screen update speed on the XSi was fine, but the ability of the camera to autofocus in Live View was marginal at best.  For all practical purposes it was necessary to turn on Live View, frame the subject, turn it off, and then shoot.  I may be a big fan of the XSi, but Live View was not a usable feature.
Live View's reason for being is composing images precisely, especially when using special optics like a tilt-shift lens.  I clearly don't know how it works on the XSi, but on the T1i, you hit the Live View switch, and use the zoom key to flip between the three levels of magnification (1, 5x, 10x) as needed.  Slow, but it's absolutely critical - if you need it.  I'd be more than willing to admit that unless you're using a special optic, you probably don't need it.  (This becomes a small point tilting the playing field in favor of a compact, again.)

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Really?  I realize there are rolling shutter problems in some instances, but so far I haven't encountered any problems with video on my 60D.  I assume the T2i would be exactly the same.  OP, it is safe to use the T2i for video, really.
What I mean is that it's not the best choice for situations where you're on the move, compared to camcorders at least.  It has poor ergonomics for stable video unless you have a rig to set it on, and then you have to deal with focus.  As I thought I said - if you can set it on a tripod and don't need to change focal length or focus you'll be good.  Last I heard, only the new Alpha semi-transparent mirror cameras and the D7000 offered continuous autofocus in this price range, which is necessary unless you're happy manually focusing everything (or content with the slow contrast detection AF).  Yes, I have tried manually focusing video while walking around.  It's possible, but will anybody want to watch it jumping around like mad (unless you have hybrid IS or a short focal length)?  Probably not!

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Again, the XSi was 12.1MP.  The XTi was 10, the XT was 8.  It would be a fairly rare image that would actually require higher than 12MP.  In over 50k shots over 2.5 years I never needed higher resolution, and I printed as large as 24x36.
So we're back where we started - the resolution speaks for itself.  Whether it's a compelling argument for one camera or another is up to the user.  And to be fair, you can save smaller JPEGs right out of the newer cameras for a likely boost in constant frame rates (as the buffer won't be saturated so quickly).

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OP, look at the features of each camera and see what works best for you at the different price points.  Read reviews.   I bought my XSi the first day it was available and paid full original list price (I think it was either $900 or $1000).  I look back and it was money well spent.  At current prices it's an amazing bargain.   That said, if I were buying in that class today I'd go for the T2i for the improved low-light performance and the video.  But only you can decide what works for you.  All three cameras are capable of creating amazing images, any of them would be great first dslrs.
I think that's a good conclusion, overall.  Though it's worth mentioning that the ISO and video performance jumps across the segment are simply evolutionary, and you won't really see great jumps in ISO performance until you get into another category of DSLR entirely.

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Re: which to get xsi or t2i?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2010, 04:39:00 PM »
Like most photo forums on the internet, this thread is getting hijacked by people grandstanding/arguing, rather than helping the OP. I'm not saying Edwin and John's comments aren't valid or whatever, but they're getting into a battle over a simple question asked by a novice.  Come on guys. Really.

I currently shoot with an XSi and a 50mm f/1.4. I've had it for a year and love it, with the exception of the pretty cruddy high-ISO noise reduction.  I know the high ISO settings on the T2i can be pretty cruddy as well, but there have been times where I simply needed a higher shutter speed and I couldn't push the aperture open any more and ISO 1600 (max. for the XSi) was just shy of what I needed.  With a T2i, I could have gone up to 3200 and fixed any noise in post.

The XSi is a great beginner camera, especially paired with a fast prime like the 50mm f/1.4. But you need to be aware of its limitations.  If you foresee yourself shooting hand-held in not-too-optimal lighting conditions, even with a fast prime, I'd suggest going for a T2i as you'll be able to bump up the ISO.  If I could do it all over again, that's the route I would have gone.  But for now I'm pretty happy, especially since I'm getting into off-camera flash where you can shoot at low ISOs and not worry about not having enough light.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 05:28:53 AM »
I thought my original post was perfectly on-topic, though obviously not perfect.  More concise - sure, that would be good.  The "didn't use a XSi" debate - my fault for writing about something I didn't know personally.  That said, I figure if somebody says they're new to DSLRs, it makes sense to make a common-sense post explaining things, and not to fill it with jargon, which includes phrases like "gone up to 3200 and fixed any noise in post."  So it makes sense to ask basic questions like "do you have a reason why a DSLR is in your future, instead of a compact?"

Unless the poster is lurking, however, it's an open question as to whether they have kept up with this thread.  The thread author was last active here the day they made the post (of course they could just be reading the responses).  Seems reasonable to say the "grandstanding" is the only reason for this point now, unfortunately.

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2011, 02:14:09 PM »
I've had good experience with the Canon T2i Digital SLR Camera.The camera is very small and light.  It features a 3-inch LCD (compared to the Rebel XS's 2.5 inch screen), which also has a very high resolution. It looks lovely! Auto-focus is fast, and I've been very pleased with the quality of the pictures and videos I've taken so far.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2011, 02:33:02 PM »
I have owned an XSi for 2 years and love it.  It is an awesome camera.  I rented the T2i when it first came out, and it is excellent as well.

For me, the bottom line is ISO - the XSi is limited to 1600 and it isn't all that usable (IMHO) at that level.  The T2i was very usable (again IMHO) at 3200.  PHotoshop Elements does decent Noise reduction, so that helps some.

This is a hard one, and I think it really boils down to your budget.  If a few hundred dollars matter, I would buy a fast prime lense like a 50mm 1.4, or even the 50mm 1.8 and the cheaper body because you will learn a lot using a lens like that.  If you really get into it, you will want to trade up in a year or two, so the first camera is really a learning tool.  If the difference in money isn't a big deal for you, then the T2i has more features.

You can't go wrong with either, they are both excellent cameras.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2011, 04:47:01 PM »
Ok, I see a war going on up there and I don't want to read it. So I'm just going to comment on this.

I have the XSi. I've had it for about a year now and I've done engagment shoots and portrait sessions with it. As well as just walking around and shooting for fun. I even took it to Peru. I have a fairly nice selection of glass. So I've gotten to know my XSi quite well.
Honestly, I wish I had gotten a T2i. Now the XSi is a great camera but ther are a few things I don't like.
- It's light. It's a little too light for me.
- It's screen is low res compared to the T2i, 7D, 5D2, or any other new model. 230,000 pixels compared to the T2i's 1,040,000 pixels. This is a big deal for me. Sometimes I think I have the shot and it turns out it blurred and I couldn't tell on the screen. You can see the jaggies of the pixels on some pictures.
- ISO Range. The ISO range is just a little sad in my opinion. 100-1600. And 1600 is not usable. I think it would be better if it offered 1/3 or 1/2 stop increments but it doesn't. The first feature of the XSi that started to make me feel confined and restricted was the ISO range. I basically stay on 100, 200 or 400, I use 800 for emergencies and I never use 1600. But it's my own fault for not researching more.
- Focus points. The standard 9 point system Canon uses drives me crazy. But you get no better option from the T2i

Now my mother has  a T2i and I play with it when I go visit.
- It weighs about the same so no help there.
- The screen is a thing of beauty. Higher res than the 5D Mark 2 (but just barely) I suppose the 1,040,000 pixel screen will be Canon's new standard screen.
- The ISO range is broader. I think the quality is better. Not by a whole lot but at least it gives you some more options if you need it. 1600 and 3200 look ok. I'm not sure I would touch 6400 and 12800
- And it has video mode.

If I had to do it again I'd get a T2i. It would have postponed my need to upgrade to the 7D.
Bottom line is: I don't think there is any reason to buy an XSi now. Go T2i.
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