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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2014, 03:21:50 PM »
many years.
there is nothing wrong with the 50L.

it's a people lens. it's plenty sharp.
it's f/1.2 - so if you're not nailing focus, you need to work on your technique.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

Exactly.  It's not the f/1.2 aperture that causes the focus problems on this particular lens.  It's actually the field of curvature and is especially prominent at close distances from about f/2.8 to f/4.5.  The lens will back-focus and there is pretty much nothing you can do about it.  I thought it was pretty underwhelming for $1699.

You could manually focus... but I think the presumption is that those who struggle with f1.2 are using bad technique, like focus and recompose... which will all but guarantee the subject is out of focus.
Manual focus (even with the super precision matte screen) is almost impossible with the 50L at f/1.2 just like f/1.4 with the 24L, but things get a little easier with the 85L and 135L because of the focal length. 

The 50L is the ultimate love/hate lens for Canon shooters, I think, and to me, it's part of why it's so satisfying to use.  If you nail a photo with it at f/1.2 it feels like an achievement instead of a gee I pressed the shutter moment.  On the other hand, many people have tried the lens and hate it.  I see it as a very specialized tool for unique looking portraits, but similar results can be achieved with other lenses.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2014, 03:21:50 PM »

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2014, 03:33:39 PM »
many years.
there is nothing wrong with the 50L.

it's a people lens. it's plenty sharp.
it's f/1.2 - so if you're not nailing focus, you need to work on your technique.

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

Exactly.  It's not the f/1.2 aperture that causes the focus problems on this particular lens.  It's actually the field of curvature and is especially prominent at close distances from about f/2.8 to f/4.5.  The lens will back-focus and there is pretty much nothing you can do about it.  I thought it was pretty underwhelming for $1699.

You could manually focus... but I think the presumption is that those who struggle with f1.2 are using bad technique, like focus and recompose... which will all but guarantee the subject is out of focus.
Manual focus (even with the super precision matte screen) is almost impossible with the 50L at f/1.2 just like f/1.4 with the 24L, but things get a little easier with the 85L and 135L because of the focal length. 

The 50L is the ultimate love/hate lens for Canon shooters, I think, and to me, it's part of why it's so satisfying to use.  If you nail a photo with it at f/1.2 it feels like an achievement instead of a gee I pressed the shutter moment.  On the other hand, many people have tried the lens and hate it.  I see it as a very specialized tool for unique looking portraits, but similar results can be achieved with other lenses.

The part about loving it because good focus is rare and hard to achieve is a masterpiece in spin doctoring. :)
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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2014, 03:41:12 PM »
The part about loving it because good focus is rare and hard to achieve is a masterpiece in spin doctoring. :)
GUILTY as charged ;D

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2014, 03:55:58 PM »
I sucked  :-\

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2014, 12:49:54 AM »
The part about loving it because good focus is rare and hard to achieve is a masterpiece in spin doctoring. :)
GUILTY as charged ;D

Yeah, sure, but when it hits, it's so worth it.
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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2014, 03:56:44 AM »
many years.
there is nothing wrong with the 50L.

it's a people lens. it's plenty sharp.
it's f/1.2 - so if you're not nailing focus, you need to work on your technique.
+1 and you might want to visit the many "where is the 35L II" threads for some perspective on long waits...

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2014, 05:13:49 AM »
The part about loving it because good focus is rare and hard to achieve is a masterpiece in spin doctoring. :)
GUILTY as charged ;D

Yeah, sure, but when it hits, it's so worth it.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2014, 05:13:49 AM »

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2014, 05:41:48 AM »
It's a tough world out there for lovers of the 50mm focal length. There is a new Sigma 50 Art, but it has outer-edge focus problems, is somehow too contrasty for some, and for videographers, there are focus breathing issues. On top of that, it's supposedly a bit heavy for a prime.

On the other hand, the well known Canon 50L isn't as sharp as some would hope wide open and also has focus breathing problems. On top if that, it's slow to focus, despite having USM.

So the question is... When will Canon respond to the Sigma 50 Art with an update to the 50L?

I would be thrilled if the updated lens was quick to focus, tack sharp wide open, and rendered colors the same way it does on the current 50L.

Of course it's all speculation at this point, but it doesn't hurt to pose the question.

Thoughts?

The Canon is also f/1.2 allowing 50% more light and greater DOF isolation than the sigma.  The sharpness difference is neglible in practice and the Canon has more realistic colors.

So to answer your question probably not for a long, long time: most pros who use the 50L (not just blog jockeys) adore it.  Next 50mm will be the 50mm f/1.8 IS.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2014, 07:57:48 AM »
The part about loving it because good focus is rare and hard to achieve is a masterpiece in spin doctoring. :)

Beautifully put.

But this is why the 50L is such a divisive lens; some people by nature have an optimistic outlook and concentrate on the times that the AF hits, others dwell on the failures. Glass half full / half empty.

Next 50mm will be the 50mm f/1.8 IS.

I agree, I think that will be the next 50mm we see from Canon.
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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2014, 08:52:30 AM »
So the question is... When will Canon respond to the Sigma 50 Art with an update to the 50L?
...
Thoughts?

Canon's lenses have historically had a life of somewhere between 15 and 20 years as a current product.

Expect the 50/1.4 and 50/1.8 to be updated well before the 50/1.2L.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2014, 01:01:16 PM »
The part about loving it because good focus is rare and hard to achieve is a masterpiece in spin doctoring. :)

Beautifully put.

But this is why the 50L is such a divisive lens; some people by nature have an optimistic outlook and concentrate on the times that the AF hits, others dwell on the failures. Glass half full / half empty.

Next 50mm will be the 50mm f/1.8 IS.

I agree, I think that will be the next 50mm we see from Canon.

I dearly hope the First Sub-F/2 IS lens is not a 50mm. More specifically a Longer short tele in mind...

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2014, 03:11:12 PM »
It's actually the field of curvature and is especially prominent at close distances from about f/2.8 to f/4.5.  The lens will back-focus and there is pretty much nothing you can do about it.

What, people use the 50L at narrower than f/1.8 or so ??  ;)

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2014, 07:50:59 PM »
So the question is... When will Canon respond to the Sigma 50 Art with an update to the 50L?
...
Thoughts?

Canon's lenses have historically had a life of somewhere between 15 and 20 years as a current product.

Expect the 50/1.4 and 50/1.8 to be updated well before the 50/1.2L.


Maybe, but probably not, unless they decide to add IS to one of them as part of an "IS everywhere" campaign.  Both are over two decades old, which tells me Canon probably doesn't care much about updating them.  They're more than good enough for low-end lenses.

Look at the lenses that Canon has updated in the past ten years and the age of the predecessor:

24–70 L II: 10 years
16–35 L II: 6 years
70–200 L II: 9 years
70–300 (L as an alternative to non-L): 5 years
300mm IS II: 11 years
400mm IS II: 12 years
500mm IS II: 12 years
600mm IS I: 12 years
24mm IS: 24 years
35mm IS: 22 years


Only those last two replaced lenses that were more than a decade old, and both of those were IS upgrades to previously non-IS lenses.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2014, 10:09:50 PM »
I have only had mine for a few days but so far I think its great. I love the look it gives wide open. Its plenty sharp and the AF accuracy has been dead nuts on. In short: its a lot better than I was expecting with all the interweb negativity out there.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2014, 10:14:15 PM »
I have only had mine for a few days but so far I think its great. I love the look it gives wide open. Its plenty sharp and the AF accuracy has been dead nuts on. In short: its a lot better than I was expecting with all the interweb negativity out there.

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Re: How many years before we see a 50L II
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