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Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« on: November 22, 2011, 01:20:13 PM »
Guys:

I have owned and enjoyed the 70-300L these past months. It is light and has great IQ. All along I was on the lookout for a cheap 70-200f2.8 IS mk.II, and while I could goto ebay/CL, I figured if I could get one refurbished from Canon Direct (i.e. like new but serviced by Canon, I would go for it)... I waited for months but none showed up in stock till last Friday, I visited the site again and said to myself... if they have one in stock, I will push the button.

Well one did and it was delivered today!! ;D  I was very excited and went home over lunch to open the box up.

Apart from a tiny paint chip (less than 1mmx1mm) it is MINT. It does not come with the white box, but otherwise with all accessories. I think it is a great deal at $1999 especially when Canon has gone over it (something not all Production units can claim since random lots are inspected on the line):... or so I console myself. :-\

I only had time to fit it on to my 5D and take some test shots and view them on the Camera LCD.

It is too early to say if the images are good or not, but what I did notice is that for the 5-10 minutes that I held it.... my left arm which supports the lens... started to quiver with the weight after this little session. This never happens with the 70-300L.

Originally; my intention was to sell the 70-300L when I got the 70-200mk.ii +x2.0mk.III, but now... I am wondering if I will enjoy holding this heavy lens for long periods.

Would like to know if you guys have trouble keeping up with this solid lens and did you get used to it.

Thanks,
K
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Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« on: November 22, 2011, 01:20:13 PM »

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Re: Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 01:45:16 PM »
I don't mind carrying and using the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II for long periods.  My bodies are gripped, which of course adds to the total weight, but provides better balance, IMO. 

No, the lens is not light...but it's a lot lighter than my daughters, and I carry them around a lot, which is great for arm strength.   :)
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Re: Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 01:48:17 PM »
It is too early to say if the images are good or not, ...

Oh you'll be amazed ;)

It's by no means a light lens but I find it perfectly hand holdable. After a whole day of usage I will feel my arms (especially around the wrists) hurting when I'm back home. But once you see the results, all that pain would magically disappear ;) It's that good!

There are people who use it with a monopod but there are also people who can carry a 400 f/2.8 whole day without complaining so it's normal, YMMV.

I would recommend some weight training. You should get good results in like 2 months if you train regularly. With more muscles you can hold it for longer periods and have less pain at the end of each day. Also, the more you use the lens, you'll get used to it, it will feel lighter than you initially felt (especially on the first day).

Congrats with your purchase and have fun with your new toy ;)

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Re: Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 01:53:31 PM »
Thanks Guys!

Have you compared the IQ of the 70-300L vs the 70-200f2.8mk.II personally? (the light sensitivity apart)
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 02:21:52 PM »
I've rented both the 70-200L Mk2 and the 70-300L, and simply: they're both awesome.

The reasoning to pick one over the other depends entirely on what you're shooting and how you shoot. For me personally, the 70-300L's smaller size ends up being the winning factor. But maybe you shoot more outdoor portraits, or more events? The 70-200L is a better choice if that's the case.

Basically, if you're like me, no matter how great the lens's image quality, if it's larger than a thermos, it's too big for everyday use. On Vacations, the 70-300L is a clear winner. If I shot more events professionally, that might change my mind. As it stands now, I'm using the 135L instead of either.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 02:33:47 PM »
Thanks...

So 70-200 f2.8 plus 2x MK.III = 140-400 f5.6... would that be better or worse than the 70-300L at 300mm only comparing IQ?
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Re: Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 02:37:48 PM »
Thanks...

So 70-200 f2.8 plus 2x MK.III = 140-400 f5.6... would that be better or worse than the 70-300L at 300mm only comparing IQ?


Worse (at least, comparing 400mm to 300mm).  The 2x III will result in a bigger IQ decrement than the 1.4x III, and even the 1.4x III, stopped down to f/5.6, is worse at 280/300mm.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 02:49:06 PM »
Wow... not only lack of sharpness, but more CA and lesser contrast as well...  However at f6.3 the combo does rather well albeit a slight loss of contrast. CA and sharpness are much improved.

Thanks John.

PS: I once tested a 70-200f4IS vs the f2.8 mk.II, the F4 looked sharper. Both were stopped down to their minima... I did not test the macdaddy at f4 though...
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 02:51:53 PM »
Wow... not only lack of sharpness, but more CA and lesser contrast as well...

Don't forget the impact on AF speed as well, it would be quite significant ;)

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 03:16:08 PM »
One word: monopod
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Re: Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2011, 03:38:32 PM »
Hi, K,


Would like to know if you guys have trouble keeping up with this solid lens and did you get used to it.

I had the EX 70-200 mm f/2.8L IS USM (not the "II"). It was too big and heavy for me. I sold it and bought the f/4. It is lovely.

I also have the Extender EF 1.4x (not the "II"). The combination performs excellently.

The AF performance is much better than on the f/2.8 (not II), although I would expect even more improvement on the f/2.8 II.

Best regards,

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Re: Owners of 70-200f2.8L IS mk.II & 70-300 L IS
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2011, 04:03:51 PM »

It is too early to say if the images are good or not, but what I did notice is that for the 5-10 minutes that I held it.... my left arm which supports the lens... started to quiver with the weight after this little session. This never happens with the 70-300L.

Originally; my intention was to sell the 70-300L when I got the 70-200mk.ii +x2.0mk.III, but now... I am wondering if I will enjoy holding this heavy lens for long periods.

Would like to know if you guys have trouble keeping up with this solid lens and did you get used to it.

Thanks,
K

You're going to hate it.  You should sell it to me immediately at a substantial loss  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011, 04:36:36 PM »
The weight doesn't really bother me. I honestly don't notice it and I'm not a super strong dude. I leave it on my 7D all the time.

It's worth it for the AF speed alone, it's near instantaneous. It will blow you away. Though I'm sure the 70-300 is fast too.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 05:42:16 PM »
Thanks Guys!

Have you compared the IQ of the 70-300L vs the 70-200f2.8mk.II personally? (the light sensitivity apart)

I use both. The 70-300 is the default when I am going walking in the countryside. Less weight to carry. The 70-200 is the default for low light or portraits.

I hang the camera with lens from a Black Rapid strap so the weight is not on the arms or hands in between shots (and you cant drop it).

Both are very fast AF - nothing really between them

Very little in IQ difference between them up to 200mm

Minimum focus distance is the same for both - except the 70-300L has the bigger image, works nicely for close ups.

Both lens have their strong points - the winner is the one that ticks the most boxes for you. I am keeping both.

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 05:55:26 PM »
i sent quite a while shooting mainly with a 1D3 and a 28-300 so changing to a 5D2 with a 70-200 f2.8 felt like massive relief as far as weight goes :)
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