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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2014, 04:48:01 PM »
Lol Canon 18Mpx sensor made it to most rubbish bottom model 1200D. Why do you expect they repeat this and put the same sensor into 750D and M3?

Rolls eyes, how many times...   Repeat after me, "there's more to a camera performance than just the megapixel count !" Now say it over 500 times
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 05:28:57 PM »
Rolls eyes, how many times...   Repeat after me, "there's more to a camera performance than just the megapixel count !" Now say it over 500 times

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Photography is much more then megapixel. Also think about other features as cps, Af system, lenses and don't forget the person behind all that gear.
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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2014, 08:30:29 PM »
Lol Canon 18Mpx sensor made it to most rubbish bottom model 1200D. Why do you expect they repeat this and put the same sensor into 750D and M3?

Rolls eyes, how many times...   Repeat after me, "there's more to a camera performance than just the megapixel count !" Now say it over 500 times

But when it comes to consumer demand, you might as well be arguing the megahertz myth.  It didn't work then, and it won't work now.

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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2014, 10:04:29 PM »
So, Photokina in September, what do we expect to see ?

I'm not expecting all, just some...

Canon EOS 7D MkII with 24mpx and next gen 70D AF tech
Canon EOS 750D with a 18mpx sensor and trimmed down 70D AF tech
Canon EOS M3 with same sensor and AF as 750D

Lol Canon 18Mpx sensor made it to most rubbish bottom model 1200D. Why do you expect they repeat this and put the same sensor into 750D and M3?
If they put in an 18Mpixel sensor, who says that it is the same old sensor?

Safe bets for the future is that ALL of Canon's new DSLR sensors will be DPAF. Keep in mind that one of the reasons why the 7D2 has been delayed so long is that they are having problems manufacturing the sensor. (statement by Canon executive) They have no problems making the 70D sensor, so why is this one any different? They should be able to churn them out easily.... plus the camera will not sell as many units as a lower priced 70D so volume should not be a problem....

The most likely explanation is that there is new technology involved (also said by a Canon executive). This is either a new fabrication process, a new way of doing things, or most likely, both. I expect to see finer lithography and the migration of the A/D circuitry onto the sensor. This should give slightly better efficiency and lower the noise level.... and that's a big thing! drop the noise by two stops and you should be able to 5D3 IQ out of your crop camera. Of course, if this happens then the 5D4 will get the same treatment and the 2 stop advantage will be restored.

This has to happen..... it is only a matter of time. The big question is if the time is now?
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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2014, 10:21:01 PM »
So, Photokina in September, what do we expect to see ?

I'm not expecting all, just some...

Canon EOS 7D MkII with 24mpx and next gen 70D AF tech
Canon EOS 750D with a 18mpx sensor and trimmed down 70D AF tech
Canon EOS M3 with same sensor and AF as 750D

Lol Canon 18Mpx sensor made it to most rubbish bottom model 1200D. Why do you expect they repeat this and put the same sensor into 750D and M3?
If they put in an 18Mpixel sensor, who says that it is the same old sensor?

Safe bets for the future is that ALL of Canon's new DSLR sensors will be DPAF. Keep in mind that one of the reasons why the 7D2 has been delayed so long is that they are having problems manufacturing the sensor. (statement by Canon executive) They have no problems making the 70D sensor, so why is this one any different? They should be able to churn them out easily.... plus the camera will not sell as many units as a lower priced 70D so volume should not be a problem....

The most likely explanation is that there is new technology involved (also said by a Canon executive). This is either a new fabrication process, a new way of doing things, or most likely, both. I expect to see finer lithography and the migration of the A/D circuitry onto the sensor. This should give slightly better efficiency and lower the noise level.... and that's a big thing! drop the noise by two stops and you should be able to 5D3 IQ out of your crop camera. Of course, if this happens then the 5D4 will get the same treatment and the 2 stop advantage will be restored.

This has to happen..... it is only a matter of time. The big question is if the time is now?

An extra 2 stops on my current 5dMK3 - that'd be very interesting.
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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2014, 10:47:16 PM »
So, Photokina in September, what do we expect to see ?

I'm not expecting all, just some...

Canon EOS 7D MkII with 24mpx and next gen 70D AF tech
Canon EOS 750D with a 18mpx sensor and trimmed down 70D AF tech
Canon EOS M3 with same sensor and AF as 750D

Lol Canon 18Mpx sensor made it to most rubbish bottom model 1200D. Why do you expect they repeat this and put the same sensor into 750D and M3?
If they put in an 18Mpixel sensor, who says that it is the same old sensor?

Safe bets for the future is that ALL of Canon's new DSLR sensors will be DPAF. Keep in mind that one of the reasons why the 7D2 has been delayed so long is that they are having problems manufacturing the sensor. (statement by Canon executive) They have no problems making the 70D sensor, so why is this one any different? They should be able to churn them out easily.... plus the camera will not sell as many units as a lower priced 70D so volume should not be a problem....

The most likely explanation is that there is new technology involved (also said by a Canon executive). This is either a new fabrication process, a new way of doing things, or most likely, both. I expect to see finer lithography and the migration of the A/D circuitry onto the sensor. This should give slightly better efficiency and lower the noise level.... and that's a big thing! drop the noise by two stops and you should be able to 5D3 IQ out of your crop camera. Of course, if this happens then the 5D4 will get the same treatment and the 2 stop advantage will be restored.

This has to happen..... it is only a matter of time. The big question is if the time is now?

An extra 2 stops on my current 5dMK3 - that'd be very interesting.
The DR of a camera is the ratio of the signal to the noise.... if you want to improve it you either need more light or less noise. It's the superior A/D system on the Nikons that gives them more DR than the Canon cameras and there is nothing to say that Canon can't improve theirs. Even with the same way of doing things, moving it onto the sensor will get rid of some noise and improve things. If they institute a system with an A/D converter on each row of the sensor, they will be able to drastically drop the frequency they run at... and that allows for a more accurate/less noisy design. Who knows.... they may even go to 16 bit A/D..

I have test equipment at work that has 32 bit A/D running at 60Ghz and some that has 48 bit A/D running at "only" 42Ghz. the requirements of A/D in cameras are trivial in comparison and they should have no problems improving the design.
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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2014, 03:55:40 AM »
Canon has been updating the budget lenses with IS STM versions, so I think there will be 3 new normal focal length lenses:
1. An inexpensive EF 50mm f/1.8 IS STM lens (to replace the plastic fantastic)
2. A mid-tier EF 50mm f/1.4 IS USM (to replace the EF 50mm f/1.4)
3. A pro-level EF 55mm f/1.4 USM (To replace the 50mm f/1.2)

I suspect that Canon have already filled that budget niche with the 40 STM. It shares the absence of a focus scale with the old 50/1.8, at moderate extra cost.
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Re: Photokina 2014
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2014, 04:05:44 AM »
Lol Canon 18Mpx sensor made it to most rubbish bottom model 1200D. Why do you expect they repeat this and put the same sensor into 750D and M3?

Rolls eyes, how many times...   Repeat after me, "there's more to a camera performance than just the megapixel count !" Now say it over 500 times

As dgatwood wrote - there is demand. One should make his product better, and it is not done trough already 6 or 7 years old sensor. sorry, doesn´t gonna work. There are not only megapixels to it. They can make 18Mpx full color non bayer sensor, they can add in DR,SNR and many other parameters. Af and metering method means nothing to ordinary customer of cheap XXXD line, and also to me, because I rely on manual hugely.

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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2014, 04:05:44 AM »