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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2012, 02:31:02 PM »
I have the 50 1.2L, 50 1.4, and 50 1.8 II (nifty fifty) and I haven't noticed any focus problems on my 1.2L.  I bought it refurbished by Canon, on the refurb site and it hasn't disappointed me at all.  I tested it out on a 5D Mark III at indoor basketball and focus hit pretty much everytime.  The camera/lens combo seems okay to me.  Stopped down outside I like the 1.4 colors better, but that's nothing that can't be fixed in Camera Raw or LR.
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2012, 02:31:02 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: July 04, 2012, 02:56:37 PM »





The last photo shows the CA that sometime happens with the 1.8 and shows how you can't shoot at anything other then 1.8 if there is anything out of focus in the background.

Those 50 1.8 photos are very nice, but I think the above 2 examples shows how much better they could have been if the busy background was creamier (a la 1.2).  5 blades just aren't going to deliver that, which is why I am still hoping Canon releases 50 f/1.8 Mk III with rounded 9 blades.  (Listening, Canon?)

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #107 on: July 04, 2012, 03:06:32 PM »
They won't do that.  It'll be 1.4 Mk II or 1.2 Mk II.  Which is okay with me!  Let's get a 50mm lens from Canon that can do it ALL, like the 35L and 85L!   :P
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« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2012, 03:15:39 PM »
I know there's probably a thread or two about each of these lenses, but I want someon'e first hand experience. I don't have a FF camera (I'm unpatiently waiting for the 5D mk III) so I know this lens won't be as good on my 7D, but I've heard so many good things about shooting with a 50mm. I just have difficulty deciding on which to get (budget is a factor of course, I'm a student).

People have said that the 50mm 1.8 is good for it's build quality and price. I read from a lot of people is that their 50mm 1.8 lens will break because of it's inferier build quality (compared to the 1.4 and 1.2). That puts me off. I don't want to buy a lens only to have it break or the glass falls out 2-3yrs later.
So I'm trying to decide between the 1.4 and the 1.2L. At the moment, the 1.2L is winning mainly because it's an L lens which means, better build quality, superior optics, I've heard (slightly) better/higer IQ, DOF, bokeh, etc. And that awesome red ring on the end.

I'm a bokeh girl, I freaken LOVE beautiful smooth bokeh and high contrast a\nd saturation. I would love to get the 1.2L but I've read a LOT of reviews/comments from owners talking about the "back focussing" issue. Can someone who owns a 50 1.2L or someone who's tested one please elaborate a bit more about the issue? I've also read that 1/3 shots will be in focus, and that it is difficult for the 1.2L to properly focus in low light/dark surroundings, that the 1.4 outperforms it in that regard.

When I come to buy the lens I'll definitely ask to test and try out the 1.2L and the 1.4 lenses. But then again there are those in the small minority who say they have had minimal or no "back focussing" issues at all and that then absolutely adore the 1.2L lens and highly recommend it. I love live music/concert photography and would probably buy a 50mm lens before getting a 24-70 (I'm still waiting for it to come out with IS!) and believe it (50mm 1.2L) would take great photos. But I really need help deciding and reading hundreds and hundreds of reviews won't really help me, I need other people's input and first hand experience with these lenses.  I can't justify spending almost $AU2000 for an L lens only to return it. Is the back focussing issue more of a 'photographer' error/problem or is it the lens'camera's fault? And can you actually fix the back focussing problem? apologise for rambling, I just really want to understand what this back focussing issue is and why some people don't seem to have a problem with it and a large majority do.

Get the 1.2L, you won't be sorry you did.  I borrowed my friends 1.4 for a month.  I was still on the fence.  Went into the store and tried a couple of 1.2's.  Never looked back, they don't compare in my opinion.  It's a sweet lens.
I do suggest not buying one online though.  The only pain in the ass is there are sharpness discrepancies between lenses, so you should try a few out and use a focus chart and see which is sharper by zooming in.  It took me 4 until I was happy.
When you find that one though, it's creamy Bokeh madness!!!!

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #109 on: July 04, 2012, 03:18:23 PM »
Here's my rules of the 50mm lens:

1.  If you need to shoot f/1.2 to f/2, get the 50L
2.  If you shoot stopped down a ton, get the 1.4.  It's sharper stopped down.
3.  If you don't care, get the nifty fifty.
4.  If you are a 50mm nut like myself and RLPhoto, get all 3 :)
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #110 on: July 04, 2012, 03:38:39 PM »
Here's my rules of the 50mm lens:

1.  If you need to shoot f/1.2 to f/2, get the 50L
2.  If you shoot stopped down a ton, get the 1.4.  It's sharper stopped down.
3.  If you don't care, get the nifty fifty.
4.  If you are a 50mm nut like myself and RLPhoto, get all 3 :)

LOL.  And if you are really a crazy 50mm nut, add the Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 with EdMika adapter like me. 


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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #111 on: July 04, 2012, 03:51:36 PM »
Holy crap!   ;D
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #111 on: July 04, 2012, 03:51:36 PM »

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« Reply #112 on: July 04, 2012, 04:11:49 PM »
While we are on the subject, I've been dying to know how the older 50mm f1.0 L fairs on the new 5D mk3 body.  Also does canon have vignette and CA corrections built in for this monster?  I know that the focus on my 1.2L is pretty damn good on the mk3 (I have read all about the problems) and I'm wondering if some of the demons of the older 1.0 L might be mitigated by the new 5D (or 1Dx for that matter).

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2012, 04:16:06 PM »
My guess is that would not be a very good lens.  One guy I knew shot it wide open and he said IQ was awful.  It would probably be much worse on FF.  However, I don't really know for sure.  Maybe there is someone out there who has that lens and a 5D Mark III.
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2012, 04:16:15 PM »
While we are on the subject, I've been dying to know how the older 50mm f1.0 L fairs on the new 5D mk3 body.  Also does canon have vignette and CA corrections built in for this monster?  I know that the focus on my 1.2L is pretty damn good on the mk3 (I have read all about the problems) and I'm wondering if some of the demons of the older 1.0 L might be mitigated by the new 5D (or 1Dx for that matter).

The 50 F/1L was a terrible lens. It was never very sharp at any aperture and stupendously expensive.

Since no one bought it, its price has stayed at the same ridiculous level ever since its introduction.

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #115 on: July 04, 2012, 06:31:10 PM »
While we are on the subject, I've been dying to know how the older 50mm f1.0 L fairs on the new 5D mk3 body.  Also does canon have vignette and CA corrections built in for this monster?  I know that the focus on my 1.2L is pretty damn good on the mk3 (I have read all about the problems) and I'm wondering if some of the demons of the older 1.0 L might be mitigated by the new 5D (or 1Dx for that matter).

LR4 is awesome for sorting out CA just drag the slider till its gone uit works wonders on my 600f.45 FD which gets quite a bit of CA wide open with alot of contrast
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #116 on: July 04, 2012, 07:09:08 PM »
For @lex: I like your wide open portrait shots! They are inspirational really!

What it comes to the rest of fifties, it's weird, my 50/1.0L actually outperforms my 50/1.4 and quite noticeably at that. My sample wide open is slightly better than 50/1.4 wide open, and at F/1.4 there is no comparison. Maybe my 50/1.4 is out of whack? But then again, I'm not the only one who is saying this, and if I recall correctly, this is also the expected behavior of the nominal designs (unless looking close to the boundaries of the image). I have not used 50/1.2L yet, so I can't say anything about it.

Additionally, I think the AF hit rate is better with 1.0L compared to 1.4, provided that only a slow moving or stationary target is photographed. 1.0L has relatively slow AF, but that's understandable given the circumstances. 1.0L does have a learning curve. The reason why I have both of them is that I can move relatively carelessly with 50/1.4 outside in the -25 C temperatures, whereas I certainly wouldn't take the 50/1.0L there!

I'd be interested to know also whether there is vignetting correction coming up for this one in 5D3.

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #117 on: July 04, 2012, 09:28:50 PM »

LOL.  And if you are really a crazy 50mm nut, add the Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 with EdMika adapter like me. 


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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #117 on: July 04, 2012, 09:28:50 PM »

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #118 on: July 05, 2012, 02:52:23 AM »

LOL.  And if you are really a crazy 50mm nut, add the Canon FL 55mm f/1.2 with EdMika adapter like me. 


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I have one of these and *LOVE* it.  I've got two more sitting here waiting to be converted.

manual focus I presuppose.  Does the conversion give you focus confirm beep?


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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #119 on: July 05, 2012, 02:56:48 PM »
Yes, the 55/1.2 FL conversion is manual focus and manual aperture.  The chip gives you focus confirmation beep but does not autofocus.

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
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