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Re: The Antelope Navajo Under ground cave, ARIZONA, usa.
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2014, 04:41:53 PM »
Thanks. Did you also see the Horseshoe Bend? Which is the closest airport?

I'm not sure if this was directed at me at all, but I'll answer what I can.  Unfortunately I'm not sure what commercial airports are the closest; there are small municipal airports all over, including in Page. I've flown in to Vegas and Grand Junction as part of longer trips which included page, and had friends fly into Phoenix and Flagstaff to meet me in Page. 

A word of warning for anyone going to page from the south: part of 89 was shut down over a year ago due to a landslide or collapse. As of April or so when I was last there, that road was still closed.  I tried to quickly google current conditions and can't verify it's re-opened, so you may want to check.  Locals told me the alternative roads took much longer. 

Horseshoe Bend parking lot is less than 2 miles outside of town. It'll probably take about 10-15 minutes to walk to the actual bend. 

I'd also second whoever mentioned Coyote Buttes (sorry, on my phone).  North (The Wave) and South are both worth doing if you're fortunate enough to win the lotteries.

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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2014, 04:41:53 PM »

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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2014, 05:07:32 PM »
Thanks Ray5 and Click
We flew into Vegas form the UK and did a big looping drive to the Grand Canyon, Page, Canyonlands, Arches and Zion National parks.
We only had one day in Page but I would have stayed a lot longer if we could.
Two days should do it one to get an idea of it all the second day to execute it.
The first picture is ISO 400 F11 20 sec the fastest in the set is ISO 100 F9 1 1/3 sec
Taken on a 5D with my best wide lens 17-40, when I say best I mean only
If you can get there go you will never regret it.
Also if you are in the area try to go to "The Wave" but you need to book for that months in advance. Google it, it's stunning as well

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Re: The Antelope Navajo Under ground cave, ARIZONA, usa.
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2014, 08:13:42 AM »
Hello Surapon,

great pictures! Thanks for remembering me how great it was (2011). It is funny, there are so many stones but almost everybody take a picture of this one:



I called it Optimus Prime Silhuette, because it remembered me at this  :D:


I think, the best time to visit the Upper Antelope is 11 am+, the Lower was great early morning 9 am. We were alone and could use our tripods to see the purple and orange colors.

About the Horseshoe Bend: It is 10 min. away from page, and anather 15 min. by foot from the parking place.

We enjoyed Page for three days and i think, one day more is better, especially when you want to try the "Coyote Butts NP lottery". If you want to try it, think about the different time zones  >:(

Lightthief
Very Nice. Upper or lower Canyon? What serttings did you use for this?

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« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2014, 08:15:36 AM »
Do we have to apply for permits? If yes, how far ahead of time? I guess you are kind of rushed due to the summer rush and limited time to view these?

You don't have to worry about that, they're included in the tour fees. 

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If one were to plan both upper and lower canyons, how much time does one require at the minimum? What does the Photography tour offer that others don't?
Thanks again for these awesome images.
Ray

I'd say about 5-7 hours, depending on timing; tours are roughly 2 hours as I recall, although I suppose this may vary from tour group to tour group.  I *think* all Upper tours, either from on-site or off-site groups, go at set intervals, so chances are you'll wait at least a little for your tour time.  Reserve ahead if you can, or time slots may be filled.

At Lower, the non-photography tours seem to go at set intervals because they need guides to return in order to go back out, but if you pay for a photography tour you can go immediately.  They put a paper around your neck with what time you're supposed to be back (guides will check it in the canyon as they pass you) and off you go, no guide.  I've had good luck where they just tack on an extra 10-15 minutes to make the return time at a "00" or "30."  Years ago they used to just let you pay an extra $20 of you stayed in longer, but they've cracked down since some photographers abused it and caused a problem.

NOTE - The drive between upper and lower is nothing, basically across the street, but as I understand it, most Antelope Canyon tour groups are in town, so they ask you to meet them at their location in Page to be shuttled out.  Since most do NOT also do Lower, that means after you're done with Upper, they'll shuttle you back into town to your car, increasing the time to do both on the same day.  If you're shopping tour groups, I'd ask them about this, maybe some will meet you at the Upper or Lower parking lots.

Personally, I've always either driven up to the gate and joined the on-site tour group so my car is right there, or joining Carol Bigthumb's group, Adventurous Antelope Canyon Photo Tours.  Her family (or some members) live near Upper, and their meeting/parking location is near there, maybe a mile or two.
Thanks a lot for the information. I checked their website and seems they do not have tours of the Lower canyon. Only upper and a few other canyons. The on site tours, any website for them? I am guessing they too have photography tours?
Ray

Dear Ray

http://www.lowerantelope.com/

Surapon
Thanks. Did you also see the Horseshoe Bend? Which is the closest airport?

Dear Ray.
I do not know from airport, But from Page  to horseshoe Bend = 30 minutes.
Surapon
Surapon,
Very nice. Looks like you had some trouble with the sun up on the horizon? What time of day was it? Late afternoon?  If you were to go back just for this what time of the day would you choose? Thanks

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Re: The Antelope Navajo Under ground cave, ARIZONA, usa.
« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2014, 03:34:04 PM »



Very Nice. Upper or lower Canyon? What serttings did you use for this?

Oh, the picture above is Surapon's. I do not know his settings.

This (my) picture below is from the Lower Antelope:
50D, 24mm, f6.3, IS 640, 1/80 s, no tripod

Hmmm, did you mean the other one (purple wave, orange background)?
Again, Lower Antelope.
50D, 21mm, f8, IS 100, 1/2 s, tripod
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Re: The Antelope Navajo Under ground cave, ARIZONA, usa.
« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2014, 06:49:45 PM »



Very Nice. Upper or lower Canyon? What serttings did you use for this?

Oh, the picture above is Surapon's. I do not know his settings.

This (my) picture below is from the Lower Antelope:
50D, 24mm, f6.3, IS 640, 1/80 s, no tripod

Hmmm, did you mean the other one (purple wave, orange background)?
Again, Lower Antelope.
50D, 21mm, f8, IS 100, 1/2 s, tripod
Both are outstanding shots. Some of the shots posted here are 20secs long! How do you keep folks out of the frame for that long?

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Re: The Antelope Navajo Under ground cave, ARIZONA, usa.
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2014, 03:07:42 PM »
When we went we were in a group of 4, the guide got us to where the beams come in about 10 minutes beforehand and moved everyone else out of the way then lined us 4 with tripods up with everyone else behind us.
If you look at the first picture I have just posted you can see the ghost of the guide, he is to the left of the beam and kept popping out from behind the rock to throw sand into the beam to highlight it a bit more.If anybody dared stray into the frame he was instantly onto them to get out of the way. These are all about 1or 2 second or so exposures at 100 ISO, but the light varies so much 20 seconds is not out of the question.
I hope someone that can really do the slot canyons justice post a few pictures

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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2014, 03:07:42 PM »

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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2014, 05:21:42 PM »
When we went we were in a group of 4, the guide got us to where the beams come in about 10 minutes beforehand and moved everyone else out of the way then lined us 4 with tripods up with everyone else behind us.
If you look at the first picture I have just posted you can see the ghost of the guide, he is to the left of the beam and kept popping out from behind the rock to throw sand into the beam to highlight it a bit more.If anybody dared stray into the frame he was instantly onto them to get out of the way. These are all about 1or 2 second or so exposures at 100 ISO, but the light varies so much 20 seconds is not out of the question.
I hope someone that can really do the slot canyons justice post a few pictures
Hello,
Sent you a PM. Thanks
Ray

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2014, 10:12:37 AM »
As I was making notes for myself for my tour there I thought I'd share the information so it might help someone who like me might be considering going there. Obvioulsy this is very concise and in no way covers everything as I have NOT been there. Folks can add or let me know if something is obviously wrong. Here is what I gather from all the information here, PM's from forum members and a couple of phone calls.

- Different companies outfit each canyon, no one does both.
- What appeals to me best is two full days there. Do upper photo tour, go to lower photo pass same day and then do night tour of upper. Return the next day and do upper again.This way the second day I can either enjoy the sights or get the shots I did not/could not the first day and also a buffer in case of bad weather. But makes it expensive as they will not put a custom package for you.
- 2nd day evening do Horseshoe bend at sunset and perhaps lake Powell as well.
- Photography tours all around. To go that far and spend that much  money it would be unwise to skimp out on a couple of hundred dollars and not enjoy the show or get the shot.
- June-Aug is the time for the light beams…. but they are open year round.
- Night tour of the Upper Canyon is $150 for photographers who will get instructions on settings etc, $50 for folks who just want to go there and shoot without instructions. The explanation was a bit grey but worth calling and confirming the value of the added $100.
- Las Vegas, Phoenix and even Salt Lake City airports could work. Page does have an airport but a small one.
- In the lower canyon, the photo pass gets you two full hours but you are on your own, no guide. They do have photo monitors who may point you to better spots etc. Perhaps for folks who have been there and are already familiar with the spots.
-  Horseshoe Bend: It is 10 min. away from page, and another 15-20 min. by foot from the parking lot. Apparently not so easy a walk due to soft and deep sand. But no tours, you do it on your own.
- Many other wonderful places in UT/AZ close by for your landscape fix; Monument Valley, Arches, Zion, Grand Canyon etc if you have more time.


Shooting tips:
- Wide angle lenses a must
- Photo tours recommended as they come with crowd control. They do make it more expensive though.
- Tripod required in photography packages
- Bracket shots
- Two cameras if possible with different focal length lens, avoid changing lenses inside, it's dusty in there.
- Cleanig cloth, blower etc
- Shoot RAW if not RAW+jpeg
- Polarizer filter to be considered.

Thanks to everyone for the tips and the awesome pictures which have motivated me once again!


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Re: The Antelope Navajo Under ground cave, ARIZONA, usa.
« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2014, 12:33:57 PM »
IMHO,
Shoot in RAW because the color is not what most of these pictures display.
I carried and snapped my little gray card a few times to get a better reference on my visit last year. 

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« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2014, 12:33:57 PM »