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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2014, 03:25:32 PM »
I feel Nikon has positioned D800/E/10 and the D4/s in two distinct categories, with both sharing many of the great pro features and also having distinct areas of strength. On the other hand, 5DIII shared only a few of the 1D X's pro features, and apart from the higher megapixel count there isn't much that's essentially better in a 5DIII.
Is that an unfair assessment?
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2014, 03:25:32 PM »

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2014, 03:31:08 PM »
nice car....

house and beautiful people and equipment.

Get the feeling it's not easy to make money with photography these days. Those who shoot as their main job seem to drive Yugos from what I see personally and those who shoot AND sell products and build up a giant web presence and following seem to live in nice homes in La Jolla, CA or the fancy part of CT  ;D.

Anyway I kinda wish we had a camera that was the D810 but with a couples mods in that it had an overall closer to 5D3 UI and the 5D3 raw 1080p video and the 1DC 4k video (but less plasticky) and took Canon lenses.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2014, 04:01:26 PM »
I want to see him perform a decent AF comparison and not one where he only uses the center/central AF point(s). Let's say photographing a kid on a swing (in motion) at F/1.4 to F/2 with one of the side AF points located at roughly one third of the image. If you do that, you'll be comparing crosstype AF points (5D3) vs non-crosstype AF points (D810) and will see the D810 getting blown out of the water.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2014, 04:06:52 PM »
Civilized.

Not controlled expeperiment.

D10 in this review edges out 5DIII.

Will I switch?  Nope. 

Will I get the 1DX or 1DXII- yep!

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just for the sake of a civilized discussion... ;)

Yeah like that will happen. 

Do you also dangle red capes infront of bulls?   ;D

This should be entertaining.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2014, 04:13:13 PM »
Get the feeling it's not easy to make money with photography these days. Those who shoot as their main job seem to drive Yugos from what I see personally and those who shoot AND sell products and build up a giant web presence and following seem to live in nice homes in La Jolla, CA or the fancy part of CT  ;D.
It's definitely tough out there for all but the very top photographers, at least in terms of making six figures, plus.  I am in awe of people who do nothing but product reviews and seem to live quite well in terms of farms, horses, and trips to tropical islands, not to mention any names...but I guess a percent or two of big white purchases adds up :)

The reality is that stock is all but dead and that was a huge source of income in the past.  It's been supplanted by workshops, books, videos, and affiliate links. 

They say that if you want to make money from photography, you need to teach photography, not do photography.  Scott Kelby has done rather well with this model. 

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2014, 04:14:57 PM »
Well.....

Last week I swapped D800/D4 for D4s/D810.
Long story short - 5D MkII and 5D MkIII get equal usage as the Nikons do.
They all have their merits and strengths.

Most of the people dissing one or the other can't compare from
first hand experience. That simple.

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2014, 04:18:41 PM »
If i had to start over today, i'd go with d810 over the older 5d3.  But i don't want to go through the hassel of selling all my lenses so i'll wait to see how Canon responds.  Competition is great for all us consumers and Canon could use a hard kick in the butt like this to start stepping up.

This is probably how most people feel about D810, myself included.  If I did night photography for a living or printed huge landscapes, I might actually switch from 5D III to D810, but otherwise, there really is no pressing need to switch, given how I still prefer the Canon lens lineup and own many. 

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2014, 04:18:41 PM »

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2014, 04:24:58 PM »
Get the feeling it's not easy to make money with photography these days. Those who shoot as their main job seem to drive Yugos from what I see personally and those who shoot AND sell products and build up a giant web presence and following seem to live in nice homes in La Jolla, CA or the fancy part of CT  ;D.
It's definitely tough out there for all but the very top photographers, at least in terms of making six figures, plus.  I am in awe of people who do nothing but product reviews and seem to live quite well in terms of farms, horses, and trips to tropical islands, not to mention any names...but I guess a percent or two of big white purchases adds up :)

The reality is that stock is all but dead and that was a huge source of income in the past.  It's been supplanted by workshops, books, videos, and affiliate links. 

They say that if you want to make money from photography, you need to teach photography, not do photography.  Scott Kelby has done rather well with this model.
+1
I agree…some of these people do very well financially.  I am always amazed at some of the places that people, such as Trey Ratcliff, have been to,…sometimes multiple times…places I will never get to…

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2014, 04:39:10 PM »
I feel Nikon has positioned D800/E/10 and the D4/s in two distinct categories, with both sharing many of the great pro features and also having distinct areas of strength. On the other hand, 5DIII shared only a few of the 1D X's pro features, and apart from the higher megapixel count there isn't much that's essentially better in a 5DIII.
Is that an unfair assessment?

5D M3 lacks the DR of the Sony sensor.  If can addressed that single issue, I would be very happy with the replacement.  Of course more FPS, better ISO performance and great MP would be nice but not essential (IMHO) as improved DR.

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2014, 04:42:35 PM »
The fact is rising tide lifts all boats.
I am not concerned one bit about videography for myself, yet the fact that Canon seems to fall behind in prosumer or low end pro videography behind Panasonic and Sony is unfortunately going to affect revenues. If Canon decides not to bring what is now standard or expected to sub-10K cameras it will definitely affect their bottom line. 5DII used to be the definitive line in HDSLR filming, now GH4 and A7s are much better it seems. Even Black Magic was said to be better than the 5DIII.
Similarly, Nikon has brought lots of great new features in the D810. I am not concerned that my 5DIII doesn't have it, but I would like Canon to bring out a camera that does have all those features so they don't lose customers. A high-res high-DR sensor would certainly help.
I would like Canon to flourish because it will affect me indirectly and allow me to use the great equipment they bring out. I am concerned that Canon's business strategy (which often overrides market surveys for big companies) might be too conservative.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2014, 06:22:44 PM »
They say that if you want to make money from photography, you need to teach photography, not do photography.  Scott Kelby has done rather well with this model.

Yup.
Fact of the matter is someone can learn in minutes what took days with a film camera.
With the barrier to entry so low, "photographer" now describes a type of consumer more than it does a service provider.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2014, 07:36:49 PM »
They say that if you want to make money from photography, you need to teach photography, not do photography.  Scott Kelby has done rather well with this model.

Yup.
Fact of the matter is someone can learn in minutes what took days with a film camera.
With the barrier to entry so low, "photographer" now describes a type of consumer more than it does a service provider.

I was a victim of this low barrier to entry when we hired a photographer for my wedding who basically took mediocre snapshots all night long.
We weren't trying to save any money (and the guy wasn't cheap either). He had shot a friend's wedding with a partner and had been recommended by the friend. We weren't aware that the partnership had dissolved and the other guy was really all the goods.
He took terrible images, missed half of our families (there isn't a picture of my parents with us), had to be threatened with legal action to recover the images, and never delivered the albums.
If he had needed to go through the effort of learning photography techniques like in the old days, he would have probably learned a bit about shooting weddings and about professionalism on the way.

Now it's up to the consumers to wise up and realize good things don't come cheap and anyone with a camera is not a photographer.

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2014, 08:20:05 PM »
There is something about this guy, that makes me unable to watch any of this videos through. I honestly don't know what it is, and it has nothing to do with his brand preferences (the first video of his I watched was entirely Canon related, and I still couldn't get through it)...I think it's the way he talks. I dunno...just can't watch him.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2014, 08:29:46 PM »
I am hardly an expert, but I feel like Mr. Northrup is being judged quite harshly. Yes, stylistically, his review is not my cup of tea. However, what he did took a not insignificant amount of time and effort, the videos and his books included. I've  created and published books, including layout, and it's more than a few hours worth of work. Also, he has several photos on his site that go beyond the efforts of a weekend shooter. He has found a niche and appears to be making a living in it. Touché.

PS - as someone who lives in Connecticut, while there are few inexpensive places here, he does not live in the expensive corner, either, as one posited.

Disagree if you may, but give the man his due.

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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2014, 08:43:43 PM »
I want to see him perform a decent AF comparison and not one where he only uses the center/central AF point(s). Let's say photographing a kid on a swing (in motion) at F/1.4 to F/2 with one of the side AF points located at roughly one third of the image. If you do that, you'll be comparing crosstype AF points (5D3) vs non-crosstype AF points (D810) and will see the D810 getting blown out of the water.

This was the only part of the review that I had any issue with.  I have no trouble believing that the D810 beat the 5D3, but the 60% hit rate on the 5D3 is just much lower than my experience.  I'd love to see what tracking settings he used for the test.  Based on the RAW files that he posted, we know that he did the AF Servo test on the Canon using Spot AF and didn't use any of the f/2.8 double cross type points, which makes me think he probably didn't tweak the tracking to best suit the situation.  The other possibility is that there's a servo tracking issue with the Tamron 24-70 VC, but I've never used one so can't really say.

Edit: Just looked through the RAW files and it appears all of his tracking settings reported in the exif were all reasonable so I'm not really sure what to make of these results; I thought for sure the tracking sensitivity was too high but I guess not.  Maybe it's something to do with the lens or the focus point used.
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Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
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