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6D or 7D mkII?
« on: August 14, 2014, 11:11:54 AM »
Hello all,

I have a 450D now with a 15-85. I want to replace the body with a higher quality sensor which both the 6d and 7d ii will have. I' mainly shooting landscapes and (safaris when i can...) of course we still don't know what the 7d ii will look like but but my doubt is between these two bodies. Both will be a leap in quality wrt the 450d. I have startex to sell my work and like to print at least at A3 size. Will a 24MP of a crop sensor win over a FF 20 MP?
Any suggestions? I can't really make up my mind...fortunately i still have time as the mkii still isn't out yet...

Thanks!

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Re: 6D or 7D mkII?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 11:36:38 AM »
Hello all,

I have a 450D now with a 15-85. I want to replace the body with a higher quality sensor which both the 6d and 7d ii will have. I' mainly shooting landscapes and (safaris when i can...) of course we still don't know what the 7d ii will look like but but my doubt is between these two bodies. Both will be a leap in quality wrt the 450d. I have startex to sell my work and like to print at least at A3 size. Will a 24MP of a crop sensor win over a FF 20 MP?
Any suggestions? I can't really make up my mind...fortunately i still have time as the mkii still isn't out yet...

Thanks!

I doubt the 7D2 sensor is going to be radically better at high ISOs than the 70D sensor, as the 70D sensor was recently introduced and was a new design in itself.

In low to moderate light, the 6D will win this battle easily due to the FF sensor's lower noise at higher ISOs.  In good light, it depends what you are shooting; for landscapes, the 6D will do significantly better and offers higher quality ultrawide lenses; but, for a safari, the extra reach and more advanced AF of the 7D2/70D will likely be more beneficial.  The 7D2 will probably also have better weather sealing than the 6D, which could again be important for a less controlled safari environment.

If you are buying now, you also will likely pay a price premium for the 7D2 so it will be likely more expensive than a 6D.

If it were me based on your requirements, I would pick the 6D given what is likely to be introduced with the 7D2.  It sounds like landscapes are your primary usage and the 6D with a EF 16-35mm f/4L IS has no quality focal length match in a crop camera like the 7D2.  When you go on safaris, the 6D AF may be a bit more challenging and you may need to crop in post, but that does not sound like it will be where most of your usage will be.

For UWA landscape, here is an example of the best 16mm FOV equivalent on crop vs the best 16mm on full frame:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=950&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=949&CameraComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp

Another option might be buying both a 6D and a 70D - the 6D for most of your work, and the 70D for reach limited scenarios that also need more advanced AF like a safari might be.  The 70D will probably be available for under $850 refurbed by the holidays, and the 6D comes up every few months for $1250 refurbed - the two together would likely be in the same price range of a single 7D2 at launch price.  Plus it would give you a backup body and the ability to select FF or crop based on what your are shooting.
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Re: 6D or 7D mkII?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2014, 11:43:27 AM »
Hello all,

I have a 450D now with a 15-85. I want to replace the body with a higher quality sensor which both the 6d and 7d ii will have. I' mainly shooting landscapes and (safaris when i can...) of course we still don't know what the 7d ii will look like but but my doubt is between these two bodies. Both will be a leap in quality wrt the 450d. I have startex to sell my work and like to print at least at A3 size. Will a 24MP of a crop sensor win over a FF 20 MP?
Any suggestions? I can't really make up my mind...fortunately i still have time as the mkii still isn't out yet...

Thanks!

I believe that for pure landscape shooting 6D wins unless 7D mk II is going have some kind of a miracle sensor  :) I wouldn't pick 6D for bird photography, though. If you want to play safe, then just wait for 7D mk II to be officially announced.

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 01:08:03 PM »
I think the 7dII will have the potential to be closer in price to the 5DIII.  Consider that as well.  Though if you wait until it is released the 6 might have come down in price.  Also....used 7 d's will get cheaper and may make a great pairing with the 6d.

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 01:29:03 PM »
6d for landscape... for safaris, rent a 7d mkii and a 100-400mkii.
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 01:35:39 PM »
Anyone know how the 6D's AF system compares to that of a Rebel?
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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 01:42:26 PM »
Seems like good advice so far. Here are a few more thoughts to consider...

This is really a decision between full frame and crop for your needs, especially when we don't know what a 7DII will have, if released.

If you choose the 6D, you'll need a new lens (the EF-S 15-18 will not work). This brings the cost of switching to full frame up more than just the cost of the 6D body. Selling the 450D and 15-85 would offset that, if you don't plan to keep them. Also, you can occasionally find the 6D and 24-105L kit for about $2k. I think I've seen kit-separated 24-105L lenses go for around $650, so that makes the 6D around $1,350 new if you sell the 24-105L.

The sensor in the 6D is considered by some to be Canon's best. I would be surprised if the 7DII sensor produced better image quality. At high ISO values, it's reasonable to assume it won't touch the 6D (although I'd love to be surprised!). This makes it a matter of reach and AF performance versus superior image quality. You'll have to decide which you value more. If doing mostly landscape, I would say 6D. If doing mostly wildlife, I would say that whatever Canon's next top crop camera will be will have the reach and AF performance to "get the shot" and good enough image quality at lower ISO values to make beautiful prints at the sizes you desire.

If you don't need a wildlife powerhouse (super-high frame rates, weather sealing, powerful AF tracking), then the 70D would probably do fine (it's no slouch) for the safari's where you need reach and reasonably good AF. Depending on your lens choice (and Canon's pricing for its next top crop), you might be able to do 6D and 70D together for the price of the 7DII.

Good luck! With hope of announcements from Canon just around the corner, it's a fun time to be shopping for a camera...

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 01:45:29 PM »
Anyone know how the 6D's AF system compares to that of a Rebel?
The current Rebel T5i have all focus points cross-type, and the central point of focus is dual cross-type. The 6D has no focus point dual cross-type, but can do autofocus in very dark environments.

In short, 6D has lower performance with focus points outside the center, and is slower to focus, but you can do it even in darkness.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 01:54:08 PM »
Anyone know how the 6D's AF system compares to that of a Rebel?

6d has 1 really good center af cross type point, rest are ok.   But for landscape, portraiture, product, etc.. It is really good... stuff that doesn't move.   
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Re: 6D or 7D mkII?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 04:30:58 PM »

If you don't need a wildlife powerhouse (super-high frame rates, weather sealing, powerful AF tracking), then the 70D would probably do fine (it's no slouch) for the safari's where you need reach and reasonably good AF. Depending on your lens choice (and Canon's pricing for its next top crop), you might be able to do 6D and 70D together for the price of the 7DII.


Yeah, I've been using the 70D for wildlife since its launch and I must say it's really, really good. I'm still waiting for the 7D II :)

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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 05:03:00 PM »
if you are going wide angle, go FF.

The glass you pick will probably have more impact on your photos than which camera body you pick....
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 05:28:22 PM »
IMO, the 6D does a decent job for birds.  It's not the greatest, but it certainly isn't terrible:








(Yes, I know I need to do lots of color and gamma correction on these pictures; it was a pretty dreary day, or in the case of the first photo, night.)
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 07:13:30 PM »
6D is king for landscapes - everything you need, nothing you don't need. 11 points for focus confirmation is fine - I manual focus anyway (partly because I have fewer full frame modern Canon lenses in the wide - normal - short telephoto range and am using my old film lenses with adapters, for the time being). 6D is great for wide angle landscape astrophotography, or wide-star-field astrophotography using camera lenses.

7D2 should be positioned as the "pro-grade" crop camera for action and wildlife, where one wants to shoot with a supertelephoto. On the 7Dclassic, files are plenty good if light is ample and one is using ISO of 400 or less. I have the 60D and its sensor is very similar to the 7Dclassic. The hope is that the sensor noise issue will be improved by 1 stop, with a little improvement coming from improved sensitivity (not a lot of wiggle room there) and more improvement coming from the sensor analog-to-digital processing.

I am still using my crop camera for birding and as a one-lens travel and hiking camera, with the 15-85mm, which is a great walkaround lens and handles a lot of landscape work. For birding, I like the "extra reach" of the crop camera with the 400mm f/5.6L.

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 07:13:30 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2014, 02:36:02 PM »
Thanks a lot to everyone who has replied. I appreciate it a lot. I already had been leaning towards the 6D, and I'm more convinced now. I realize this will of course mean a new lense as well, which was one of the things making me doubt.
I think getting a 70D as an extra body might be an option but only with a good long lense. I have a 75-300 unstabilised now and that's not working unless I use fast shutter speeds.

As there might be a new 100-400 soon, the old version might get cheaper, and might be a better option to get more reach.

Again thanks for your opinions, it really helps.  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2014, 04:00:22 PM »
If you start to see big rebates on the 100-400 jump on it.  The new one will likely be much more expensive and once announced will tend to stabilize or even inflate the price of the current one.  This has happened before.  Good for those looking to upgrade as it protects your gear value, but bad for cheapskate opportunists like me.  :)

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