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How Much that Photographers get ?
« on: August 15, 2014, 04:40:11 PM »
Wow, I am very glad that I am not the real Photographer.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Media-and-Communication/Photographers.htm

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Re: How Much that Photographers get ?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2014, 06:27:27 PM »
Don't know how they came up with that number? My friends(currently pro-wedding) they ave about $12-$20K per month, working as a pair of course. They spend most their times in studio during work days to PP photos and shoot wedding in the weekend.

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Re: How Much that Photographers get ?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2014, 06:54:57 PM »
There is a huge difference between billable gross and hourly wage, indeed the two are rarely connected. Of course a well set up business will be making money on all its billables, but there are a lot of outgoings on a $20k a month studio.

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2014, 07:48:32 PM »
Don't know how they came up with that number? My friends(currently pro-wedding) they ave about $12-$20K per month, working as a pair of course. They spend most their times in studio during work days to PP photos and shoot wedding in the weekend.

You WILL NOT find a f4 lens in their studio ;) Min f2.8 or larger

As I read it, income level is for photographers that are working for someone else, and not for those who own a photography business.  Usually, information like this comes from the Census.  Those who run their own business can do very well, or lose their shirt.  I doubt if those self employeed Craigslist photographers who advertise their services for $100 are doing very well, and they outnumber professional photographers 100-1
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Re: How Much that Photographers get ?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2014, 08:23:58 PM »
Absolutely no surprise to me at all. And, I don't think it is correct to assume that this is only photographers who work for others.

I've done the math myself and concluded it would be very hard to make a go of it. Actually, I'd love to hear what some of the people on this site who do this full time make.

When I've done "back of the envelope" calculations it seems pretty tough. For example: wedding photographer – book 30 weddings a year at $2,500 each, that's $75,000 gross and I think it would be hard to get 30 bookings in a year (especially here in the Midwest). Plus, that's only wedding photographers, which is about the only remaining market today. That's a gross figure, and doesn't include any overhead (advertising, materials, equipment, assistants, etc. etc.)

Maybe some of the pro photographers can enlighten us.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2014, 09:03:06 PM »
Keep in mind it's a median number – half earn more, half less, based on the entire country. 

Looking at my own field, at my company we pay entry level new hires significantly more than the listed median. 
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2014, 09:12:23 PM »
Wow, I am very glad that I am not the real Photographer.

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/Media-and-Communication/Photographers.htm

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I know one or two photographers who's sole income is from paid gigs, pretty hard to maintain your passion (and integrity) in such a cut throat business
Few people realize what goes into a photo shoot beyond snapping a pic, "easy peasy" as they say, so why pay more than the local Walmart charges,the craigslist "professionals" probably have a decent client base
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2014, 10:10:22 PM »
The median hourly wage for photographers was $13.70 in May 2012. "[/color]
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That includes the now nearly defunct Picture People, Olin Mills, Walmart has their company, JC Penney, etc.  People in our craft that don't develop the infrastructure of the business get very little...

But the problem is that anyone can be trained on how to take a photo... how to generate boiler plate isn't that hard... So you have people producing more than adequate work and the company as a whole is being compensated...

The backdrops, the camera, the off camera flash, the lens, the printer... that is all paid for by the company... so the multitude of "professional" photographers don't make that much money...

Having said that... We are what we are worth.  If someone wants to hire me... I will quote them a price based on what I feel my value is... I have a portfolio to substantiate my claim and the customer ultimately determines where paying a premium is worth doing... having said that... I don't charge that much... I like to think I'm affordable because I like having fun doing the event... not because I need the money...
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2014, 10:12:29 PM »
Don't know how they came up with that number? My friends(currently pro-wedding) they ave about $12-$20K per month, working as a pair of course. They spend most their times in studio during work days to PP photos and shoot wedding in the weekend.

You WILL NOT find a f4 lens in their studio ;) Min f2.8 or larger

As I read it, income level is for photographers that are working for someone else, and not for those who own a photography business.  Usually, information like this comes from the Census.  Those who run their own business can do very well, or lose their shirt.  I doubt if those self employeed Craigslist photographers who advertise their services for $100 are doing very well, and they outnumber professional photographers 100-1

Don't disparage Craig's list... where else can you buy camera gear, get a job using it, and find a "date" for the event all on the same site... though the date may cost more than the money you make doing the event.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2014, 10:45:29 PM »
Absolutely no surprise to me at all. And, I don't think it is correct to assume that this is only photographers who work for others.


The reason I said that it is employees is because business owners generally do not work for wages, only employees earn wages.  The site linked to is a job site, as in for those looking for a job.  It talks about what qualifications are needed to get hired.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2014, 11:00:25 PM »
Don't know how they came up with that number? My friends(currently pro-wedding) they ave about $12-$20K per month, working as a pair of course. They spend most their times in studio during work days to PP photos and shoot wedding in the weekend.

You WILL NOT find a f4 lens in their studio ;) Min f2.8 or larger

As I read it, income level is for photographers that are working for someone else, and not for those who own a photography business.  Usually, information like this comes from the Census.  Those who run their own business can do very well, or lose their shirt.  I doubt if those self employeed Craigslist photographers who advertise their services for $100 are doing very well, and they outnumber professional photographers 100-1
After completed high school. I cont. with my 4yrs college. These two decided to start business. First two years were more like  working for free - shooting local community events at no charge, church activities for free, small birthdays at small fees and of course small weddings at min charges. All these works were done in their 500sq-ft garage(no AC).

By the 4th year, their names pop-up in one of local Vietnamese news paper, just because they offered their services at one of the event at no charge.

Now, they are running 10,000sq-ft studio with AC ;). Their booking is always full. They ave about $2,000-$5,000 per wedding, each week. Sometimes, one on sat and one on sun. The real problem now a day for them is they have no life, beside pushing that shutter ;D
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2014, 11:09:26 PM »

The reason I said that it is employees is because business owners generally do not work for wages, only employees earn wages.  The site linked to is a job site, as in for those looking for a job.  It talks about what qualifications are needed to get hired.

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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2014, 11:57:49 PM »
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Maybe some of the pro photographers can enlighten us.

my best month to date was just shy of 12,000.00. my minimum goal per week is 1000.00. i meet that goal more often than not, sometimes exceeding it greatly. year over year, i have had on average about a 15% increase in revenue for the last 4 or 5 years.

i do work that can range from 25.00 an hour to 100.00 an hour and from 150.00 flat rate to over 1000.00 day rate. it varies greatly.

i work with another photographer who exceeds 100k easily. another photographer i know is salaried at at least 80k. a very successful and talented wedding photographer i work with generally hits around 80k per year.

in the last 4 years i have personally known 3 photographers whose once successful businesses completely crashed.

many full time photography positions i see (typically studio ecommerce) pay anywhere from 12.50 an hour to 20.00 an hour.

there is still good work out there if you network to find it. its not quite what it once was for as many people and there seems to be more people in the mix now but i have seen plenty of situations that don't reflect the numbers in the original post.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2014, 12:27:35 AM »
In Australia we recently had a series of images sold to the highest bidder (a newspaper) for about 250K
There was a punch up between two very very rich and well know public figures near Bondi beach, would have loved to be that guy who got the shots ... Just goes to show you to have your camera on you at all times.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2014, 12:31:42 AM »
Oh, also I was talking to some old guy a few years ago taking pics for a very small town newspaper at a skatepark I was installing .. we got talking, turns out he took a shot of a motocross rider ... Husqvarna bought it from him for 18K to use in advertisements etc.

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