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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2014, 10:21:59 AM »
i have the rokinon 8mm f2.8 for EF-M it is awesome

i also have the samyang 8mm f3.5 EF-S which i used before via the adapter on the M it was also good but the EF-M mount makes it so much smaller. Looking forward to see if they do any more interesting stuff in native EF-M mount
Based on that, I'd rather get a $99 f1.8 Nifty Fifty plus a $99 EOS-M adapter; same size, autofocus, less $$.

The nifty already auto-focuses slower than a week in jail, adding an adaptor to the mix certainly wont help! Might as well have an optimized 50mm manual focus lens on the M and this Samsung offering would be just that.
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2014, 10:21:59 AM »

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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2014, 11:10:08 AM »
I have the Rokinon 35mm and 85mm cine lens.  They are both great, especially for the money. 

Lot of people have had the same experience:
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2014, 11:11:16 AM »
What Samyang should really do is designing a nice MACRO LENS or two (like 100mm and 200mm). Good manual focus ring works beautifully for macro photography and there is little need for AF, if at all.
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2014, 04:17:48 PM »
What Samyang should really do is designing a nice MACRO LENS or two (like 100mm and 200mm). Good manual focus ring works beautifully for macro photography and there is little need for AF, if at all.

Maybe the 50mm will be a semi macro as well? Zeiss's 50mm and 100mm f/2 2:1 macros don't really have much competision besides the Tamron 60mm f/2.

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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2014, 04:59:37 PM »
What Samyang should really do is designing a nice MACRO LENS or two (like 100mm and 200mm). Good manual focus ring works beautifully for macro photography and there is little need for AF, if at all.

Maybe the 50mm will be a semi macro as well? Zeiss's 50mm and 100mm f/2 2:1 macros don't really have much competision besides the Tamron 60mm f/2.

I'm not sure, 50mm is kind of a standard do-it-all prime, and I would like it to have AF :). My 40mm pancake with some extension tubes can do macro as well. The 1:2 mag. would require a tube too, but its working distance is unusable for hunting insects. The AF 50/2 Macro would be great though, I would trade my 40 for that.


EDIT: I know some people have like 8 different 50(ish)mm lenses in their bags for whatever reason :). I'm not that guy.
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2014, 06:23:08 PM »
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That's because they are VDSLR lenses and therefore made so you can pull the aperture as well as the focus.

I don't speak about the aperture-ring, of course they have one. I just speak about composing the picture at the full open aperture, but the aperture is closing automatically on taking the shot. This is controlled electronically with a chip in the lens.

And they're not all VDSLR-Lenses, mostly exist two variants... for exaple one for still cameras (35mm f1.4) and the video one (35mm t1.5)
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2014, 06:53:19 PM »
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That's because they are VDSLR lenses and therefore made so you can pull the aperture as well as the focus.

I don't speak about the aperture-ring, of course they have one. I just speak about composing the picture at the full open aperture, but the aperture is closing automatically on taking the shot. This is controlled electronically with a chip in the lens.

And they're not all VDSLR-Lenses, mostly exist two variants... for exaple one for still cameras (35mm f1.4) and the video one (35mm t1.5)

Actually Samyang did update their 35/1.4 with electronic aperture (the Canon AE version). Let's hope that all the new lenses will come with AE by default.
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2014, 11:43:39 AM »
I'm not sure, 50mm is kind of a standard do-it-all prime, and I would like it to have AF :). My 40mm pancake with some extension tubes can do macro as well. The 1:2 mag. would require a tube too, but its working distance is unusable for hunting insects. The AF 50/2 Macro would be great though, I would trade my 40 for that.


EDIT: I know some people have like 8 different 50(ish)mm lenses in their bags for whatever reason :). I'm not that guy.

For some an F/2 50mm that can do good but not fully macro is a multi use lens, I own the Zeiss partly because it allowed to me replace a standard 50mm AND a stanardish macro. Price there though is probably an issue for a lot of people, I managed to get the Zeiss fairly cheap used but no way would I pay full wack for it.

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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2014, 01:14:12 PM »
I'm interested in seeing some of these current third party manufacturers put out some short-flange, fast primes for the a7 series which don't break the bank for most FF enthusiasts... It can only do wonders for sales of both lenses and a7/R/S units if/when it happens...

Compact 50mm f/1.4 Samyang on an A7? That would be super :)
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2014, 04:46:17 PM »
Its been confirmed a bunch of places as 50mm f/1.2, so, that at least saves them the embarrassment of a lens that wont sell. Now, we'll see what the price is.

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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2014, 05:07:45 PM »
I'm not sure, 50mm is kind of a standard do-it-all prime, and I would like it to have AF :). My 40mm pancake with some extension tubes can do macro as well. The 1:2 mag. would require a tube too, but its working distance is unusable for hunting insects. The AF 50/2 Macro would be great though, I would trade my 40 for that.


EDIT: I know some people have like 8 different 50(ish)mm lenses in their bags for whatever reason :). I'm not that guy.

For some an F/2 50mm that can do good but not fully macro is a multi use lens, I own the Zeiss partly because it allowed to me replace a standard 50mm AND a stanardish macro. Price there though is probably an issue for a lot of people, I managed to get the Zeiss fairly cheap used but no way would I pay full wack for it.

And by cheap you mean $1000 (give or take) ? :)
I'm sure that Makro-Planar 50/2 is a nice lens (and possibly a dream lens for videography :) ), but, like you, I really can't justify buying $1300 manual focus lens, which won't even be my primary tool for macro. Zeiss Makro-Planar 100/2 is $600 more and still needs a tube for 1:1 macro. I doubt that anything can beat my Sigma 150/2.8 at the moment.
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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2014, 01:16:39 AM »
I'm not sure, 50mm is kind of a standard do-it-all prime, and I would like it to have AF :). My 40mm pancake with some extension tubes can do macro as well. The 1:2 mag. would require a tube too, but its working distance is unusable for hunting insects. The AF 50/2 Macro would be great though, I would trade my 40 for that.


EDIT: I know some people have like 8 different 50(ish)mm lenses in their bags for whatever reason :). I'm not that guy.

For some an F/2 50mm that can do good but not fully macro is a multi use lens, I own the Zeiss partly because it allowed to me replace a standard 50mm AND a stanardish macro. Price there though is probably an issue for a lot of people, I managed to get the Zeiss fairly cheap used but no way would I pay full wack for it.

And by cheap you mean $1000 (give or take) ? :)
I'm sure that Makro-Planar 50/2 is a nice lens (and possibly a dream lens for videography :) ), but, like you, I really can't justify buying $1300 manual focus lens, which won't even be my primary tool for macro. Zeiss Makro-Planar 100/2 is $600 more and still needs a tube for 1:1 macro. I doubt that anything can beat my Sigma 150/2.8 at the moment.

It was £450 used for an original zf version(I moved to the darkside for FF a couple of years ago) and as you say I couldnt afford to pay full price. Definitely not a lens for serious insect macro but generally I tend to shoot plants/fungi more in the closeup range so 1:2 is good enough for me and its both sharper, contrastier and has much better bokeh than my old Nikon 50mm 1.8 G.

I wonder whether Canon will ever upgrade the old 50mm 2.5 macro? a 50mm f/2 IS with 1:2 macro with Zeiss like performance would likely be popular.

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Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2014, 06:37:34 PM »
I'm not sure, 50mm is kind of a standard do-it-all prime, and I would like it to have AF :). My 40mm pancake with some extension tubes can do macro as well. The 1:2 mag. would require a tube too, but its working distance is unusable for hunting insects. The AF 50/2 Macro would be great though, I would trade my 40 for that.


EDIT: I know some people have like 8 different 50(ish)mm lenses in their bags for whatever reason :). I'm not that guy.

For some an F/2 50mm that can do good but not fully macro is a multi use lens, I own the Zeiss partly because it allowed to me replace a standard 50mm AND a stanardish macro. Price there though is probably an issue for a lot of people, I managed to get the Zeiss fairly cheap used but no way would I pay full wack for it.

And by cheap you mean $1000 (give or take) ? :)
I'm sure that Makro-Planar 50/2 is a nice lens (and possibly a dream lens for videography :) ), but, like you, I really can't justify buying $1300 manual focus lens, which won't even be my primary tool for macro. Zeiss Makro-Planar 100/2 is $600 more and still needs a tube for 1:1 macro. I doubt that anything can beat my Sigma 150/2.8 at the moment.

It was £450 used for an original zf version(I moved to the darkside for FF a couple of years ago) and as you say I couldnt afford to pay full price. Definitely not a lens for serious insect macro but generally I tend to shoot plants/fungi more in the closeup range so 1:2 is good enough for me and its both sharper, contrastier and has much better bokeh than my old Nikon 50mm 1.8 G.

I wonder whether Canon will ever upgrade the old 50mm 2.5 macro? a 50mm f/2 IS with 1:2 macro with Zeiss like performance would likely be popular.

EF 50/2.5 Macro has very decent optics. They could only update it with STM motor and leave the old price tag really ($299) :). 50/2 IS USM Macro would cost more than 35/2 IS, maybe $100-$150 less than the 100L Macro ($899?).

P.S.: The EF-S 60/2.8 USM Macro with extension tube works on FF too. Just saying :)
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2014, 07:30:49 PM »
There is no such thing as a "macro" if its below 1:1 ;)   Shame on Zeiss.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2014, 09:52:55 AM »
There is no such thing as a "macro" if its below 1:1 ;)   Shame on Zeiss.

1:1 ratio is a subjective value. You get more magnification with 1:1 macro on crop, than with 1:1 macro on FF.
Something like A7R (36mp sensor) allows you to crop a lot and get the same magnification of a 16mp crop sensor. So, technically, 1:2 macro on 20mp crop provides similar magnification to 1:1 macro on 12mp FF.
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