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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #330 on: August 23, 2014, 04:20:43 PM »
Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #330 on: August 23, 2014, 04:20:43 PM »

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #331 on: August 23, 2014, 04:33:54 PM »
Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.
+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #332 on: August 23, 2014, 04:37:11 PM »
in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.
It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow :)

The 1D X does not have a "fine detail CMOS sensor," apparently it just has a plebeian, run-of-the-mill detail CMOS sensor. 

Guess I'll have to sell that piece of refuse and get a 7DII/X...

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #333 on: August 23, 2014, 04:38:44 PM »
...but I do think Canon should have demonstrated that they are still capable of competing on the sensor IQ front.

 Still...it'll suck, if the 7D II really doesn't hit with a better sensor, to have to wait ANOTHER couple years to see if Canon is going to do something on the sensor front. :(

Hate to say it, but "couple years" may be being too optimistic seeing how Canon obvious does not read or care about  Canon Rumors  :'(

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #334 on: August 23, 2014, 04:43:35 PM »
Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.
+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.

Stabilization is what I'm after with 4K.  Oh, I do it t with full HD but if the output is full HD, the up sampling does noticeably soften the image.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #335 on: August 23, 2014, 04:49:20 PM »
in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.
It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow :)

The 1D X does not have a "fine detail CMOS sensor," apparently it just has a plebeian, run-of-the-mill detail CMOS sensor. 

Guess I'll have to sell that piece of refuse and get a 7DII/X...

 :P

I feel for you... I have a 60D that just has a plain sensor too.... That's why I have to upgrade to a "fine detail CMOS sensor"....
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #336 on: August 23, 2014, 04:51:06 PM »
in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.
It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow :)

Love it!!

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #336 on: August 23, 2014, 04:51:06 PM »

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #337 on: August 23, 2014, 04:52:32 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #338 on: August 23, 2014, 05:36:44 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.
Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #339 on: August 23, 2014, 06:07:44 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.
Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

Maybe you can "see" uses for Wifi but would any of those pros swap it for the better focusing system?  No, it's a nice to have for most but it won't be high up on the list of much of the target audience.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #340 on: August 23, 2014, 06:16:55 PM »
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Maybe you can "see" uses for Wifi but would any of those pros swap it for the better focusing system?  No, it's a nice to have for most but it won't be high up on the list of much of the target audience.
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Given the choice between a 7D2 with a great AF system and no WiFi, or a 70D with a good AF system and WiFi, for me it is no decision.. the 7D2 with great AF wins..... but for bird photography (set it up beside favourite perch, by nest, by feeder) WiFi is a fantastic feature that I use a lot with my P/S camera.... I would really like to use it on a DSLR but it is not a deal breaker. I have an active 50 foot USB cable that allows me to do tethered shooting from a distance so I have a work-around....
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #341 on: August 23, 2014, 06:40:02 PM »
I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #342 on: August 23, 2014, 06:40:23 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.
Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

sorry i think you're wrong. most pros already have the canon accessories for tethered control of the camera that work on the 5D Mark III, 1 series,etc.

and if you really need instant download of your jpgs to your phone for immediate upload - that's why you have an SD card slot and a CF card slot.

also for some reason canon has yet to put Wifi into a full mag alloy shell.  only the partial alloy shells have received wifi.

this is supposed to be a no compromised rugged body - they aren't going to put plastic as part of the shell like the 6D and the 70D.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #343 on: August 23, 2014, 06:44:30 PM »
I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

I suspect that it will.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #344 on: August 23, 2014, 06:52:34 PM »
I'm still bummed that Canon has STILL not demonstrated they are getting competitive again on the sensor front...re-purposing the 70D sensor in the 7D II just smells really sloppy and cheap....

The 70D sensor is competitive. So what would you like them to do?

Resolution? Better be north of 40 MP to see a real difference, and that's only for those of us who regularly make large prints of finely detailed subject matter (i.e. landscapes shot from a tripod at optimum apertures). Not even Sony can pull that off in APS-C right now and retain high ISO/DR.

Total DR? The 70D is 1/3 stop behind Exmor.

Shadow latitude (noise)? You yourself showed how ridiculously small the difference is when NR is intelligently applied. When I first saw a Canon v Exmor pushed shadow test I thought the tester was purposely lying because I had never seen noise that bad...because I never turn off default NR when pushing shadows hard. In fact I apply more! I routinely push shadows 2-3 stops even with the old, noisy, 7D sensor. The thing I run into pushing shadows is not noise, but a tonality/fine detail/microcontrast wall, and you hit the same wall on Sony.

High ISO? In the DPReview and IR studio comparisons the 70D looks pretty much the same as the D7100 (for example). I would shoot either to 6400 if need be.

Color? Canon seems to have nailed that one. Other people complain and profile their sensors to try and match Canon color.

The next major jumps are going to involve 16-bit designs, multilayer sensors, or some other technology twist. We are well into diminishing returns given the state of sensor fabrication right now.

The only thing "wrong" with Canon's sensors is they score poorly over at DxO relative to Exmor. So do Hasselblad medium format sensors! Only Hasselblad fans are sophisticated enough to know DxO is a joke. I doubt any of their users are silly enough to jump on a forum and say "If Hasselblad doesn't do something about these sensors I'm buying a D810!"

I hope Canon makes a major jump in the 7D2 sensor by applying NR in camera even to RAWs and therefore gaming DxO to get a higher score  ;D

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #344 on: August 23, 2014, 06:52:34 PM »