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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #330 on: August 23, 2014, 04:43:35 PM »
Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.
+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.

Stabilization is what I'm after with 4K.  Oh, I do it t with full HD but if the output is full HD, the up sampling does noticeably soften the image.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #330 on: August 23, 2014, 04:43:35 PM »

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #331 on: August 23, 2014, 04:49:20 PM »
in other words, "fine detail CMOS sensor" is just marketing speak for ... nothing. It's like saying that a ripe lemon is yellow.
It's more like saying that a ripe lemon is Amarillo morning sunshine..... sounds much fancier than yellow :)

The 1D X does not have a "fine detail CMOS sensor," apparently it just has a plebeian, run-of-the-mill detail CMOS sensor. 

Guess I'll have to sell that piece of refuse and get a 7DII/X...

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I feel for you... I have a 60D that just has a plain sensor too.... That's why I have to upgrade to a "fine detail CMOS sensor"....
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #332 on: August 23, 2014, 04:52:32 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #333 on: August 23, 2014, 05:36:44 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.
Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #334 on: August 23, 2014, 06:07:44 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.
Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

Maybe you can "see" uses for Wifi but would any of those pros swap it for the better focusing system?  No, it's a nice to have for most but it won't be high up on the list of much of the target audience.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #335 on: August 23, 2014, 06:16:55 PM »
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Maybe you can "see" uses for Wifi but would any of those pros swap it for the better focusing system?  No, it's a nice to have for most but it won't be high up on the list of much of the target audience.
I am shooting with a four year old camera that is well used.... it is time for me to upgrade.
Given the choice between a 7D2 with a great AF system and no WiFi, or a 70D with a good AF system and WiFi, for me it is no decision.. the 7D2 with great AF wins..... but for bird photography (set it up beside favourite perch, by nest, by feeder) WiFi is a fantastic feature that I use a lot with my P/S camera.... I would really like to use it on a DSLR but it is not a deal breaker. I have an active 50 foot USB cable that allows me to do tethered shooting from a distance so I have a work-around....
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #336 on: August 23, 2014, 06:40:02 PM »
I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #337 on: August 23, 2014, 06:40:23 PM »
If rumors are right – it looks like a natural update of 7D. I.e. nice improvements in various areas + dual pixel AF, which is a very welcome feature. But it feels like it is not enough today. I think it is the time, when Wi-Fi and GPS should be built in. I look around me and see all my electronics Wi-Fi connected except for some kitchen stuff (like fridge or toaster) and... my DSLR cameras! It still can be done using additional gear (same with GPS) but such solutions seem to me as odd in 2014, as a car with hand-starter. They did implemented built-in Wi-Fi on their latest releases (6D and 70D) and it will be strange to omit on 7Dmk2. Lack of GPS is less bothering to me, as I see it only as nice to have feature, but today we have it even in cheapest almost-smartphone devices, so big and expensive DSLR could offer it too (and iirc 6D does). Well I hope it is just a wrong rumor.

If these specs are correct though this camera really isn't aimed at similar markets to the 6D and the 70D(or indeed even the original 7D) but rather pro's and specialised amateurs. In that respect I think that "eye catching" features are less important that bringing everything together in a package that suits sports/wildlife/action shooting.
Sorry, but I do not agree, that Wi-Fi is only an "eye catching" feature. Besides file transfer, it gives you remote live-view shooting, which could be useful for pro's and amateurs you've mentioned. At least for wildlife shooting I do see usages. But I agree about GPS - it is more "eye catching" or "nice to have" feature as I already said.

sorry i think you're wrong. most pros already have the canon accessories for tethered control of the camera that work on the 5D Mark III, 1 series,etc.

and if you really need instant download of your jpgs to your phone for immediate upload - that's why you have an SD card slot and a CF card slot.

also for some reason canon has yet to put Wifi into a full mag alloy shell.  only the partial alloy shells have received wifi.

this is supposed to be a no compromised rugged body - they aren't going to put plastic as part of the shell like the 6D and the 70D.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #338 on: August 23, 2014, 06:44:30 PM »
I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

I suspect that it will.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #339 on: August 23, 2014, 06:52:34 PM »
I'm still bummed that Canon has STILL not demonstrated they are getting competitive again on the sensor front...re-purposing the 70D sensor in the 7D II just smells really sloppy and cheap....

The 70D sensor is competitive. So what would you like them to do?

Resolution? Better be north of 40 MP to see a real difference, and that's only for those of us who regularly make large prints of finely detailed subject matter (i.e. landscapes shot from a tripod at optimum apertures). Not even Sony can pull that off in APS-C right now and retain high ISO/DR.

Total DR? The 70D is 1/3 stop behind Exmor.

Shadow latitude (noise)? You yourself showed how ridiculously small the difference is when NR is intelligently applied. When I first saw a Canon v Exmor pushed shadow test I thought the tester was purposely lying because I had never seen noise that bad...because I never turn off default NR when pushing shadows hard. In fact I apply more! I routinely push shadows 2-3 stops even with the old, noisy, 7D sensor. The thing I run into pushing shadows is not noise, but a tonality/fine detail/microcontrast wall, and you hit the same wall on Sony.

High ISO? In the DPReview and IR studio comparisons the 70D looks pretty much the same as the D7100 (for example). I would shoot either to 6400 if need be.

Color? Canon seems to have nailed that one. Other people complain and profile their sensors to try and match Canon color.

The next major jumps are going to involve 16-bit designs, multilayer sensors, or some other technology twist. We are well into diminishing returns given the state of sensor fabrication right now.

The only thing "wrong" with Canon's sensors is they score poorly over at DxO relative to Exmor. So do Hasselblad medium format sensors! Only Hasselblad fans are sophisticated enough to know DxO is a joke. I doubt any of their users are silly enough to jump on a forum and say "If Hasselblad doesn't do something about these sensors I'm buying a D810!"

I hope Canon makes a major jump in the 7D2 sensor by applying NR in camera even to RAWs and therefore gaming DxO to get a higher score  ;D

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #340 on: August 23, 2014, 07:24:00 PM »
I hope the 7D2 has interchangeable focus screen like 1DX & 6D.

I'm quite convinced that KatzEye (http://www.katzeyeoptics.com/) will have something cooking to fix it if it doesn't come that way out of the box.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #341 on: August 23, 2014, 08:06:53 PM »
Particularly like the built-in RT function... damn, I want it...

The more recent rumor update suggested that the -RT master would not be a feature, it'll be optical master only.

Oh, I don't really care about the 7D II.
All I want is a compact RT master built-in. Almost caved in and got the 90EX for $ 42 today, but remembered how crappy forum members had admitted it was, and how it's GN is worse than a pop up flash.
Maybe the 6D II will have an RT master? Or a 280EX-RT?
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #342 on: August 23, 2014, 08:29:52 PM »
Too many replies for me to browse through.  I just registered in order to comment.

Very simple:  If these are truly the Specs, then this camera should have been released 2 years ago.  Why the secrecy for such Specs?

Nowadays I shoot mostly birds and use ONLY the centre focusing point.  My main upgrade requirement would be for more pixels to define the tiny subjects.  Second upgrade requirement would be faster focusing speed.  Subjects are extremely flighty.

I broke my 7D to unrepairable condition and ignored the service department's offer to allow me to purchase a replacement body for a price greater than local stores were charging.  Instead I purchased a 70D and it gives me more pixels on the subjects and focuses faster than the 7D.  One feature I would like is GPS.  If there isn't a built-in GPS, then I shall not purchase an add-on, but instead do a time-synch to a portable GPS and use Lightroom's feature to add GPS data to Exif data.

A camera with these Specs just is insufficient to bother with an "upgrade".  Very disappointing.  I may pick up a Nikon 7100 and obtain lens conversions for the long lens.

I think the DPAF feature took a while to develop....
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #343 on: August 23, 2014, 08:50:29 PM »
I think a lot sports photographers are taking pictures and focusing on the sport. Big agencies have runners who grab the cards, while the photographer flips to the other card and continues. Transferring GB of data over wifi? I doubt this would be quicker for the qty that a Pro photographer shoots....

That may be true for the few at the upper end of the profession but the pros I've met are paid garbage and often do it as a second job or as part of other journalistic duties.  They certainly don't have assistants at beck and call. Transferring an entire card's worth of data?  Probably not a good idea, no, but that one rad shot/series of that amazing play?  Sure, preview shot->upload to editing desk->publish->done.  That would be amazing and in this day and age its gonna start being a lot more common. 

My question, that I've asked others and still haven't got an answer to, is why should wifi be specifically excluded? It would cost nothing to the end user and it would have use to some percentage of photographers.  In fact, a well implemented, fully integrated wifi would be a godsend for many.  The opposition just sounds, to me, like curmudgeonly old men complaining about kids these days with their idroids and googlefaces.

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It's going to be a mini 1DX with extra reach, but not as good high iso quality and not the same frame rate, otherwise it eats too much into the high end range. That for me is sound economics, not so much marketing.

e: I keep seeing people say that they understand Canon purposely limiting the burst rate because of marketing.  So, another question:  who here that owns a 1DX would sell it off for a 7DII, spec'd as listed, if it shot 12fps and pocket the extra cash?  Who here would purchase a 7DII, spec'd as listed, that shot 12fps over a 1DX if money were not the limiting factor?  I sure as heck wouldn't!

How many Pro's want a 2nd body when they do events? Heck, I'm not a pro, but I take 2 bodies everywhere I go. Now, if you can get a cheap variant which will do 90% of your Pro body, would you? What about if it only did 50%?

If you were looking into becoming a Pro, which would you buy?  The MK II or the 1DX? And surely value for money is an important factor for most Pro's - whatever the invest they need to recoup, so money is rarely no object.

If you could afford a 60K Porsche, and then they bought out a better spec'd model for 30K, just how ecstatic would you be?

Sometime cannibalization of your high end kit works. Again, I'd like to think that Canon know their audience (1DX owners) better than we do, and therefore what their reaction would be like.

Back to the wifi - I've not seen the implementation in the 6D or other Canons personally but I thought the implementation was not so clever (in terms of the SW). Canon, Nikon and others are indeed poor when it comes to an integrated system and understanding the benefits of good workflow and expandability. Another reason why smartphones are so popular. And I don't think they should go away and do their own thing, i think integration into smartphones is easiest - be part of that ecosystem, allow simple transfer so the phone can edit and publish. I think trying to get your dSLR to log in with credentials to your blog or website, name it something, allow you to put some caption and then make it ready for publication is just too much right now. In fact I think that boat has gone. No, integrate with your phone, hence why maybe BT would be better in that respect.

Would I like wifi in every Canon body & GPS? Yes please. Until then I use a camranger and either Iphone gps logging or an external GPS. I previously used eye-fi for the same purpose.


@Jrista - you shoot with a 7D. You've shown that you can take good pictures with it. I get your frustration with Canon's release schedule. Who knows the exact reason. But as a complete solution, if you can get better elsewhere then you would have moved. Is a 70D sensor really that bad? Based on it's target market, I think the MK II will do well. Even with a tweaked 70D sensor.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #344 on: August 23, 2014, 09:01:41 PM »
y.

High ISO? In the DPReview and IR studio comparisons the 70D looks pretty much the same as the D7100 (for example). I would shoot either to 6400 if need be.


I  put the camera away at ISO 1250. And I own it.


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Color? Canon seems to have nailed that one. Other people complain and profile their sensors to try and match Canon color.

Big fan of Canon color.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
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