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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #435 on: August 24, 2014, 09:50:23 PM »
Perhaps you can answer the question the DRones you're echoing have been unable to address – if Canon has been behind in low ISO DR for 4-5 years, and their market share hasn't eroded, then why does having less low ISO DR matter and why is it that Canon 'must respond'?...

Perhaps you should answer how you can take pictures with Canon stock or sale numbers?

And many a company weather the lazy storm for a while, before sales finally started taking a hit.

That wasn't my quote. It was Neuro.

Amazing to me how people who claim to have such superior knowledge and interest in technical matters can not master this site's basic HTML.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #435 on: August 24, 2014, 09:50:23 PM »

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #436 on: August 24, 2014, 09:53:13 PM »
Go take a long, hard look at jrista's processing of the infamous 5D3 vs. D800 online test.

Ker-ching! The correct answer. And it's possible to do a much better job than he did of the Canon files.

But of course were you to push the D800 another 2-3 stops it would, of course, be impossible to apply the same sort of NR techniques.

And of course the NR not only removes the noise but adds back in 2-3 stops of detail, of course.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #437 on: August 24, 2014, 09:54:14 PM »

I'm debating your definition of DR. You cannot simply shut that down at will. Your definition is flat out wrong.

Nope, you're completely wrong. DR is not synonymous with noise, or we'd also be talking about highlight DR (where Canon sensors perform very well, incidentally - funny how quiet the DR whiners are about that) in terms of losing detail to noise, and we do not. In fact, it would be an impossible argument to have.

QED.

It's a blatantly biased subversion and reinvention of the term by an irrelevantly small but very vocal subset of the user base, in order to support their tedious agenda.

Well from someone who actually knows QED the physics theory, I'm with jrista on this one.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #438 on: August 24, 2014, 09:55:29 PM »
If I was in the market, I wouldn't buy into this watered down sales-speak.
It sounds like you're selling Tupperware.

Yeah. I mean...long lenses?  Who needs 'em?  200mm is plenty, just get closer.  Good flashes and high Xsync speeds?  Useless.  Servo tracking for moving subjects?  Phth – real men use manual focus, and the a6000 has peaking so that's even better!

You don't have to convince me.  I stay with Canon because I believe the lens system is superior in quality and variety (as well as out-of-camera color).

However, I'm not sure that talking about an "ecosystem" is going to lure new shooters over. It sounds more like the camera isn't good enough to stand alone, so priority is placed on peripheral aspects.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #439 on: August 24, 2014, 09:55:47 PM »
The key point is: this camera was promised to be revolutionary, the biggest evolution since the start of DSLR.

wait.. where was this promise by canon? I missed this.

We (the fanatical users) promised it in their name.

The term revolutionary comes from rumors here at CR, but I remember about one year ago, an interview posted here at CR (news, not forum), where the Canon manager (camera division) stated that 7D successor would be something special, a milestone, not just an iteration, don't remember the words exactly.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #440 on: August 24, 2014, 09:57:18 PM »
Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.
+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.

+1

plus DIGIC (or Canon marketing, not sure which) makes internal Canon video so soft that you'd almost need inernal 4k to get true high quality 1080p detail (witness how radically much more detail ML pulls out of a 5D3 compared to stock 5D3 video)

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« Reply #441 on: August 24, 2014, 09:59:41 PM »
You misunderstand, we are saying the opposite.  I was arguing with people who are against including Wifi in cameras for some reason.

Oh. Well in that case, I agree...that's strange. :P

Only reasons I can think of is they are total brand fanboys so if their brand doesn't do something, that something can't matter for anyone. Or they are paid to astroturf the forums. Or they are the sort who can't handle spending money on something that doesn't happen to be the best in every single regard. Or are overly fearful about costs and don't have a good sense of what costs what and tech.
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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #441 on: August 24, 2014, 09:59:41 PM »

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« Reply #442 on: August 24, 2014, 10:02:13 PM »
Or, maybe canon did target the 7 series towards sports and wildlife shooters.  If the 7 series is targeted in such a manner, what would they have to take away from these proposed specs to give it 4k video?  Or, how ginormous would the price tag be if it did?  Would it need a third digic 6 in there to handle video output?  Would they have had to back off on the AF for it?  Or, if you look at the A7s, then would we see a 7d2 with a 12MP sensor?

Why would it take a third digic 6 to handle 4k video when the 1DC shows that TWO digic FIVE can already drive 4k video off of non-line skipped sensor reads?

Why would they have to back off of AF?


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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #443 on: August 24, 2014, 10:03:51 PM »
It's amusing that a 2-3 stop difference means nothing and yet when Canon does better for SNR and it's like 1/3 stop better than it's all wow Canon rules!!!!!

A 2-3 stop difference in base ISO DR actually does mean less to me than a 1/3 stop difference in high ISO performance.  This is because I virtually never run into base ISO DR problems (even with the 18MP 1.6-crop sensor), but I'm always struggling against high ISO limits.

That is fine, but that is entirely different than saying flat out that 2-3 stops means less or is a more modest difference.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #444 on: August 24, 2014, 10:04:11 PM »
The 7D Mark 2 rumored specs seem interesting (those 65 cross AF points sounds attractive to me).

What I'll like to see:
(a) weight not greater than 70D... Canon execs talk about reduced weight across all imaging products... let's see how real this one is...
(b) improved sensor quality (whether it's at high or low ISO... we are stuck in this same old 18-20 MP APS-C sensor rut for too long now...)
(c) touchscreen... this pairs up very well with DPAF... allows fast selection of AF point... don't care for DPAF if there is no touchscreen... for me...

Doubt my wishes will come true...

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #445 on: August 24, 2014, 10:05:09 PM »
Perhaps you can answer the question the DRones you're echoing have been unable to address – if Canon has been behind in low ISO DR for 4-5 years, and their market share hasn't eroded, then why does having less low ISO DR matter and why is it that Canon 'must respond'?...

Perhaps you should answer how you can take pictures with Canon stock or sale numbers?

And many a company weather the lazy storm for a while, before sales finally started taking a hit.

That wasn't my quote. It was Neuro.

Amazing to me how people who claim to have such superior knowledge and interest in technical matters can not master this site's basic HTML.

Amazing how you forgot that you quoted Neuro there to say that he got it all right, I was responding to the fact that you said you agreed with that and that he said it all.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #446 on: August 24, 2014, 10:22:49 PM »
Perhaps you can answer the question the DRones you're echoing have been unable to address – if Canon has been behind in low ISO DR for 4-5 years, and their market share hasn't eroded, then why does having less low ISO DR matter and why is it that Canon 'must respond'?...

Perhaps you should answer how you can take pictures with Canon stock or sale numbers?

And many a company weather the lazy storm for a while, before sales finally started taking a hit.

That wasn't my quote. It was Neuro.

Amazing to me how people who claim to have such superior knowledge and interest in technical matters can not master this site's basic HTML.

Amazing how you forgot that you quoted Neuro there to say that he got it all right, I was responding to the fact that you said you agreed with that and that he said it all.

No. You attributed Neuro's quote to me and then apparently couldn't figure out to attribute my real quotes to me.

Well from someone who actually knows QED the physics theory, I'm with jrista on this one.

So, while you might be great at "QED the physics theory," I was simply pointing out that you didn't seem able to master the site's very simple HTML.

So, from someone who doesn't know "QED the physics theory," I'm with Neuro on this one.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #447 on: August 24, 2014, 10:27:12 PM »
So many things I would love to respond to. However, I'm where I think everyone in this thread should be right now: out doing photography. I am currently at Kiowa-Bennett Rd. and Hwy 79...i just finished photographing a field of sunflowers and am preparing to try and photograph the milky way (although we'll se how that goes...I'm just east of DIA...).

I left this debate twice yesterday to scout photography spots like this one. I left it again today to actually do photography. I encourage everyone not to get so wrapped up in the debate, as important as it may be to some of us, that they forget to do the thing with their gear that we all debate about anyway. :P

Saggitairius, Scorpius, Cygnus and more beckon...catch you chums later.  ::)

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #447 on: August 24, 2014, 10:27:12 PM »

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #448 on: August 24, 2014, 10:27:38 PM »
Outside of the newer technology, it sounds like a upgraded 1D4 with a crop sensor.

I'm not all that worried about it having a high megapixel sensor. I would gladly trade a few megapixels for super clean image quality. I love my 7D and likely won't rush out and buy a 7D2.

I will wait and see how the image samples compare to the 1D4. I still think that the 1D4 will have cleaner image samples over any crop body, unless it comes with a whole new sensor that blows away just about everything else out there. I would upgrade to a 1D4 in a heartbeat.

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Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« Reply #449 on: August 24, 2014, 10:43:57 PM »
Mmm. Double feature...brewing T-storm off in the distance...and the milky way. All playing nice together over a field of sunflowers.  ;D  ;D  ;D

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