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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2014, 03:04:07 PM »
I would love to have 20mm pancake on FF

I think we'd like a 20mm prime of any sort in FF.  Canon hasn't made a new once since 1992.

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2014, 03:04:07 PM »

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2014, 03:15:01 PM »
Can somebody explain the appeal to me? Not trying to start a flame war, just trying to understand.

A 24mm pancake (which won't have IS) seems a bit redundant with the 24mm 2.8 IS, which by all accounts is a very good lens, has USM and which Canon cut the price to a much more reasonable level. The size seems kind of irrelevant once you put it on a 5D, 6D or other full frame body and for an SL1, you end up with a 37mm lens which is barely in the wide-angle realm.

Do people like these pancakes just because they are cute (no argument there)? What am I missing?

Size size size.  It makes your rig so small you don't mind leaving the bag behind and just slinging your camera around your neck all day.  Or it's such a small item that it's a no brainer to throw it in your bag as another FL option.

There's also a side argument (that some would refute) that the smaller your entire rig is, the more likely you'll bring it at all to take pictures.

But it will never 'compete' head to head at a feature level with larger lenses that offer IS, USM, weather-sealing, mechanical manual focusing, etc.

So I see pancakes as a nice option to reduce size when you don't need all those features -- leisure, walkaround, and street come to mind for lenses like these.

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2014, 03:17:47 PM »
40mm pancake is great for IR stuff due i would think to non complex elements
. Hoping for an EF 24mm pancake to match

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2014, 03:44:33 PM »
The beauty of the 400 prime over the zoom is size/weight and image quality, as well as it would be cheaper.

A new 100-400L would very likely improve over the old one in size, weight, and image quality, and improve for Canon in cost.   ;D

As in 'improve' you mean 'more' I think? I also think a new 100-400 will be bigger and heavier especially if it's twist zoom.

All the newer teles have gotten lighter.  I expect the same.

The 70-200 f/2.8 IS (II) increased both in size and weight...

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2014, 03:45:22 PM »
I wonder what the limits of a "pancake"'lens are. Could they make a 14mm or 85mm pancake?

Since Pentax can make a 70mm f2.4 Pancake and a really small 15mm f4.0 for APS-C, I think it is not completely impossible but the Limiteds are a bit pricy unlike the EF40.

Wait till they include diffractive optics into the mix :)
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2014, 03:48:56 PM »
Do people like these pancakes just because they are cute (no argument there)? What am I missing?

Many people bought the 40 mm just because it was 'cool' and then lost it somewhere between the padding of their camera bags and never realized it went missing  ::)
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2014, 03:51:57 PM »
I would love to have 20mm pancake on FF

I think we'd like a 20mm prime of any sort in FF.  Canon hasn't made a new once since 1992.

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True, I went for the Sigma, which for all the bad press still is a great and fun lens to have in my kit.
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2014, 03:51:57 PM »

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2014, 04:03:51 PM »
I just thought about 20mm pancake the other day :) hope this rumor is true.. it would be great for stedicam rig 5d mark 3+20mm pancake :)

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2014, 04:30:37 PM »
this thread brought me to finding these two lenses





especially the 28mm pancake looks so sweet and I bet it exactly fit my travel bag  ;D
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2014, 04:40:21 PM »
this thread brought me to finding these two lenses

especially the 28mm pancake looks so sweet and I bet it exactly fit my travel bag  ;D

You do realize these are MF (with confirmation) only?
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2014, 04:41:56 PM »
Size size size.  It makes your rig so small you don't mind leaving the bag behind and just slinging your camera around your neck all day. 

I leave my 70-200/2.8 "around my neck" all day, no problem.  It's all about placement (shoulder, not neck), and strap (Optech, not Canon).

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2014, 05:06:15 PM »
Size size size.  It makes your rig so small you don't mind leaving the bag behind and just slinging your camera around your neck all day. 

I leave my 70-200/2.8 "around my neck" all day, no problem.  It's all about placement (shoulder, not neck), and strap (Optech, not Canon).

^^ This a dozen times. I already throw my 28 1.8 in a bag without thinking about it... compared to a 70-200 2.8, which I'm totally comfortable with, any of those USM consumer primes (28, 50 1.4, 85 1.8 gets a tad long with hood, but still not bad) are really pretty portable...
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2014, 07:01:34 PM »
Do people like these pancakes just because they are cute (no argument there)? What am I missing?

Many people bought the 40 mm just because it was 'cool' and then lost it somewhere between the padding of their camera bags and never realized it went missing  ::)

Funny idea! Just checked if my copy of the 40mm is in the lens drawer where it has to be ... it was there so I haven't lost it in the padding of my back packs ;)

But a real advantage is that at least an APS-C body with that lens fits in a lens compartment so it has solved the problem of carrying two bodies in a not too large photo back pack.

I tend to use 150mm equiv as MY standard lens. The 64mm equiv of this lens on APS-C is a moderate wide angel for ME. Two bodies with 100mm Macro and 40mm pan cake are a good combo for ME.

About a 24mm pan cake: I don't believe that it is possible to produce one at f/2.8 for full frame. Might be an EF-S - so not too interesting for me. I own the old EF 2.8/24mm and this one is at least very light and on the compact side.
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2014, 07:01:34 PM »

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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2014, 07:11:37 PM »
I would love to have 20mm pancake on FF

I think we'd like a 20mm prime of any sort in FF.  Canon hasn't made a new once since 1992.

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True, I went for the Sigma, which for all the bad press still is a great and fun lens to have in my kit.

A reasonably priced ($200-$300) EF 20mm STM pancake would be nice.
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2014, 11:12:50 PM »
its a shame its 24mm a 20mm or 21mm would have been better... and partnered the 40mm better

but that said 24mm will give 38mm on apsc so its kind of like a aps-c version of the 40 on full frame
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Re: A New Pancake Lens? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2014, 11:12:50 PM »